Nov 26, 2022 · 22m · top-founders

He acquired a company for under $100k, lead engineer kept 20%, what's his GTM plan?

Andrew Geisel · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 9m spoken
0:00 / 0:00

gold bands on the timeline = statements, start to end. Hover to read, click to jump. CC turns on captions

SaaS investor and host Nathan Latka interviews Andrew Geisel, co-founder and CEO of PlanLeave, about his sub-$100k acquisition of an 80% stake in an early-stage leave management platform and his strategies for scaling customer acquisition.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 47.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.7 Guest teaching 0.8 Guest disagreement 2.0 Nathan pushing back 5.0
05100:0010:0020:001:26–3:45 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Understanding PlanLeave's Leave Management Solution Nathan presses Andrew to move beyond vague marketing descriptions and give concrete use cases with named customers. Andrew complies calmly, outlining how a client in Spain utilizes their leave tracking and FMLA compliance features.3:47–6:08 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Pricing Model and Target Customer Size Nathan drills into the unit economics, pricing tiers, and acquisition details. When Andrew hesitates to disclose deal terms, Nathan pushes with targeted ranges until Andrew confirms the sub-$100k valuation and 80/20 equity split.6:08–10:36 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Evaluating Pre-Revenue Tech and HR Market Opportunity Nathan challenges Andrew's logic of acquiring a pre-revenue tool built by an engineer with zero customer feedback and questions Andrew's revenue-per-employee reasoning. Nathan bluntly reminds Andrew that MicroAcquire listings are public when Andrew tries to withhold general data.10:37–16:46 · Nathan as informed peer 9/10 Debating the SEO-Driven Go-to-Market Strategy Nathan aggressively deconstructs Andrew's plan to rely on organic search for competitive terms like vacation tracking, citing high domain authorities and paid incumbents. Andrew insists standalone tools will rank easily until Nathan exposes that Andrew outsourced SEO without knowing basic backlink mechanics.16:47–19:28 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Paid Capterra Placements and Early Customer Acquisition Nathan interrogates Andrew's paid Capterra strategy and funnel conversion assumptions, asking where current users originated. Andrew admits current traction stems entirely from pre-existing contacts and his personal network rather than scalable inbound channels.19:28–21:44 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Career Transition and Future Product Roadmap The conversation shifts to Andrew's departure from DailyPay, future product roadmap expansion into time and attendance, and standard closing questions in a relaxed, friendly tone.1:26–3:45 · Guest teaching 2/10 Understanding PlanLeave's Leave Management Solution Nathan presses Andrew to move beyond vague marketing descriptions and give concrete use cases with named customers. Andrew complies calmly, outlining how a client in Spain utilizes their leave tracking and FMLA compliance features.3:47–6:08 · Guest teaching 1/10 Pricing Model and Target Customer Size Nathan drills into the unit economics, pricing tiers, and acquisition details. When Andrew hesitates to disclose deal terms, Nathan pushes with targeted ranges until Andrew confirms the sub-$100k valuation and 80/20 equity split.6:08–10:36 · Guest teaching 1/10 Evaluating Pre-Revenue Tech and HR Market Opportunity Nathan challenges Andrew's logic of acquiring a pre-revenue tool built by an engineer with zero customer feedback and questions Andrew's revenue-per-employee reasoning. Nathan bluntly reminds Andrew that MicroAcquire listings are public when Andrew tries to withhold general data.10:37–16:46 · Guest teaching 0/10 Debating the SEO-Driven Go-to-Market Strategy Nathan aggressively deconstructs Andrew's plan to rely on organic search for competitive terms like vacation tracking, citing high domain authorities and paid incumbents. Andrew insists standalone tools will rank easily until Nathan exposes that Andrew outsourced SEO without knowing basic backlink mechanics.16:47–19:28 · Guest teaching 1/10 Paid Capterra Placements and Early Customer Acquisition Nathan interrogates Andrew's paid Capterra strategy and funnel conversion assumptions, asking where current users originated. Andrew admits current traction stems entirely from pre-existing contacts and his personal network rather than scalable inbound channels.19:28–21:44 · Guest teaching 0/10 Career Transition and Future Product Roadmap The conversation shifts to Andrew's departure from DailyPay, future product roadmap expansion into time and attendance, and standard closing questions in a relaxed, friendly tone.1:26–3:45 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Understanding PlanLeave's Leave Management Solution Nathan presses Andrew to move beyond vague marketing descriptions and give concrete use cases with named customers. Andrew complies calmly, outlining how a client in Spain utilizes their leave tracking and FMLA compliance features.3:47–6:08 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Pricing Model and Target Customer Size Nathan drills into the unit economics, pricing tiers, and acquisition details. When Andrew hesitates to disclose deal terms, Nathan pushes with targeted ranges until Andrew confirms the sub-$100k valuation and 80/20 equity split.6:08–10:36 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Evaluating Pre-Revenue Tech and HR Market Opportunity Nathan challenges Andrew's logic of acquiring a pre-revenue tool built by an engineer with zero customer feedback and questions Andrew's revenue-per-employee reasoning. Nathan bluntly reminds Andrew that MicroAcquire listings are public when Andrew tries to withhold general data.10:37–16:46 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Debating the SEO-Driven Go-to-Market Strategy Nathan aggressively deconstructs Andrew's plan to rely on organic search for competitive terms like vacation tracking, citing high domain authorities and paid incumbents. Andrew insists standalone tools will rank easily until Nathan exposes that Andrew outsourced SEO without knowing basic backlink mechanics.16:47–19:28 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Paid Capterra Placements and Early Customer Acquisition Nathan interrogates Andrew's paid Capterra strategy and funnel conversion assumptions, asking where current users originated. Andrew admits current traction stems entirely from pre-existing contacts and his personal network rather than scalable inbound channels.19:28–21:44 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Career Transition and Future Product Roadmap The conversation shifts to Andrew's departure from DailyPay, future product roadmap expansion into time and attendance, and standard closing questions in a relaxed, friendly tone.1:26–3:45 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Understanding PlanLeave's Leave Management Solution Nathan presses Andrew to move beyond vague marketing descriptions and give concrete use cases with named customers. Andrew complies calmly, outlining how a client in Spain utilizes their leave tracking and FMLA compliance features.3:47–6:08 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Pricing Model and Target Customer Size Nathan drills into the unit economics, pricing tiers, and acquisition details. When Andrew hesitates to disclose deal terms, Nathan pushes with targeted ranges until Andrew confirms the sub-$100k valuation and 80/20 equity split.6:08–10:36 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Evaluating Pre-Revenue Tech and HR Market Opportunity Nathan challenges Andrew's logic of acquiring a pre-revenue tool built by an engineer with zero customer feedback and questions Andrew's revenue-per-employee reasoning. Nathan bluntly reminds Andrew that MicroAcquire listings are public when Andrew tries to withhold general data.10:37–16:46 · Nathan pushing back 9/10 Debating the SEO-Driven Go-to-Market Strategy Nathan aggressively deconstructs Andrew's plan to rely on organic search for competitive terms like vacation tracking, citing high domain authorities and paid incumbents. Andrew insists standalone tools will rank easily until Nathan exposes that Andrew outsourced SEO without knowing basic backlink mechanics.16:47–19:28 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Paid Capterra Placements and Early Customer Acquisition Nathan interrogates Andrew's paid Capterra strategy and funnel conversion assumptions, asking where current users originated. Andrew admits current traction stems entirely from pre-existing contacts and his personal network rather than scalable inbound channels.19:28–21:44 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Career Transition and Future Product Roadmap The conversation shifts to Andrew's departure from DailyPay, future product roadmap expansion into time and attendance, and standard closing questions in a relaxed, friendly tone.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 58.6% · guest 41.4%0:00 · Nathan 58.6% · guest 41.4%3:00 · Nathan 29.1% · guest 70.9%3:00 · Nathan 29.1% · guest 70.9%6:00 · Nathan 27.3% · guest 72.7%6:00 · Nathan 27.3% · guest 72.7%9:00 · Nathan 46.2% · guest 53.8%9:00 · Nathan 46.2% · guest 53.8%12:00 · Nathan 48.8% · guest 51.2%12:00 · Nathan 48.8% · guest 51.2%15:00 · Nathan 65.3% · guest 34.7%15:00 · Nathan 65.3% · guest 34.7%18:00 · Nathan 54.3% · guest 45.7%18:00 · Nathan 54.3% · guest 45.7%21:00 · Nathan 58.4% · guest 41.6%21:00 · Nathan 58.4% · guest 41.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 14:02 Dismissing HRMS organic search competition

Andrew repeatedly rejects Nathan's premise that incumbent HR platforms block his organic rankings, asserting that standalone tools operate in a different tier.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 14:55 Nathan's swing set real estate analogy

Nathan cuts through Andrew's product differentiation argument by explaining that search engine results page slots are finite real estate regardless of whether the incumbents are direct competitors.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:00 Explaining leave compliance and FMLA nuances

Andrew educates Nathan on why leave management requires deep state and federal compliance configurations like FMLA rather than simple calendar integrations.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 15:43 Dismantling reliance on outsourced SEO agencies

Nathan demonstrates sharp domain expertise by explaining backlink requirements and warning Andrew that SEO agencies routinely take founder capital without delivering fast ranking results.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Understanding PlanLeave's Leave Management Solution 4213 Nathan presses Andrew to move beyond vague marketing descriptions and give concrete use cases with named customers. Andrew complies calmly, outlining how a client in Spain utilizes their leave tracking and FMLA compliance features.
Pricing Model and Target Customer Size 5125 Nathan drills into the unit economics, pricing tiers, and acquisition details. When Andrew hesitates to disclose deal terms, Nathan pushes with targeted ranges until Andrew confirms the sub-$100k valuation and 80/20 equity split.
Evaluating Pre-Revenue Tech and HR Market Opportunity 7137 Nathan challenges Andrew's logic of acquiring a pre-revenue tool built by an engineer with zero customer feedback and questions Andrew's revenue-per-employee reasoning. Nathan bluntly reminds Andrew that MicroAcquire listings are public when Andrew tries to withhold general data.
Debating the SEO-Driven Go-to-Market Strategy 9049 Nathan aggressively deconstructs Andrew's plan to rely on organic search for competitive terms like vacation tracking, citing high domain authorities and paid incumbents. Andrew insists standalone tools will rank easily until Nathan exposes that Andrew outsourced SEO without knowing basic backlink mechanics.
Paid Capterra Placements and Early Customer Acquisition 6125 Nathan interrogates Andrew's paid Capterra strategy and funnel conversion assumptions, asking where current users originated. Andrew admits current traction stems entirely from pre-existing contacts and his personal network rather than scalable inbound channels.
Career Transition and Future Product Roadmap 3001 The conversation shifts to Andrew's departure from DailyPay, future product roadmap expansion into time and attendance, and standard closing questions in a relaxed, friendly tone.

Statements from this episode (10)

Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Geisel: Cameo in Spain Uses PlanLeave for Leave Tracking
“Cameo over in Spain uses the application, and they basically have for the employees, so they set up all their employees, we have a mass invite link to send out to all your employees, they log into the system, they have their own scaled-down dashboard specific …”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 2:33
Disclosure
Geisel: PlanLeave charges $1.99 per employee per month starting at 30 seats
“Yeah, so we charge my employee, dollar nine, nine cents, basically. We start at a month or a year. Per, per month. Sorry. Yeah. We started at 30 employees.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 4:01
Disclosure
Geisel acquired his stake in PlanLeave for less than $100,000
“No, it wasn't more than six figures.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 5:55
Disclosure
Geisel acquired an 80 percent equity stake in PlanLeave
“It ended up being 80%.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 6:01
Assertion Not checkable as stated
PlanLeave was virtually pre-revenue when Geisel acquired the company
“Pre-revenue, except for the company in Spain, so very little revenue, to be very candid.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 6:29
Disclosure
Geisel: PlanLeave is focusing most of its budget and attention on SEO
“SEO to be very candid. That's where most of the money's focused right now. And that's where most of the attention is focused.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 10:37
Opinion
Geisel: Long-tail search terms like vacation tracking are not competitive
“And if you start going below lead management, go into vacation trackers, time off trackers. It's not that competitive at all. Be very candid.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 11:59
Disclosure
Geisel: PlanLeave paid for a top-five directory placement on Capterra
“It's actually Kaptara specific. I paid for top five placement.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 16:58
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Geisel: PlanLeave aims for at least 56 new clients monthly
“Essentially what I want to accomplish ideally is once we get the machine going is get it to at a minimum 14 clients per week, 15, 30, 45, 60, what, 50, 56 clients per month and so on.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 18:48
Disclosure
Geisel: PlanLeave will remain bootstrapped for now
“I'm going to bootstrap it for now.”
Andrew Geisel Nov 26, 2022 ▶ 19:26
Made with StarZero

Turn any episode into a week of clips.

This entire site, over 2,600 episodes transcribed, diarized, checked and made playable, runs on the StarZero media pipeline. Drop in your own episode and the podcast clipper finds the moments worth sharing, cuts them, captions them, and reframes them for every feed.