Nov 27, 2022 · 21m · top-founders

His chip is Inside 176,000 Dogs, $1m in Revenue, Big Help for Vets

Michael Hamilton · 12m spoken Nathan Latka · 5m spoken
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In this interview with Nathan Latka, Peeva founder Michael Hamilton discusses bootstrapping a centralized pet microchip tracking and electronic medical records platform to over $1 million in profitable revenue. He details how Peeva resolves veterinary data fragmentation, scales through B2B clinic revenue sharing, and safeguards pet owner data privacy.

How this conversation actually went

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Nathan as informed peer 5.7 Guest teaching 4.3 Guest disagreement 2.6 Nathan pushing back 4.1
05100:0010:0020:000:38–2:57 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Introducing Michael Hamilton and Peeva's Mission Nathan introduces Michael and probes how his e-discovery litigation background connects to pets. Michael explains that veterinary fragmentation makes pet tracking a large data set problem, while Nathan jokingly reframes the business model as consumer-to-dog.2:58–6:40 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Vet Onboarding and Universal Microchip Auto-Enrollment Nathan drills into the mechanics of vet onboarding, manufacturing sourcing, and chip unit economics. Michael educates him on ISO universal frequencies and explains why they buy chips for under a dollar.6:41–10:33 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Bootstrapping Peeva and Founder Origins Nathan inquires about early capital allocation and why shipped chips exceed implanted chips. Michael explains how fraudulent free registries harvest and sell pet owner marketing data.10:34–13:53 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Revenue Sharing and Monetization with Vet Clinics Nathan pushes to understand the clinic monetization model and performs live math on monthly billings per hospital. He challenges Michael to clarify that the vet revenue split is a one-time charge rather than recurring SaaS.13:53–18:06 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Team Expansion, Profitability, and 900% Revenue Growth High friction occurs when Michael refuses to disclose exact revenue figures citing his status as a single dad. Nathan refuses this deflection and challenges Michael's claims regarding growth percentages across B2B and B2C segments.18:10–20:26 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Direct-to-Consumer Lifetime Protection and API Integrations Michael clarifies the direct-to-consumer line of business and API access for competitor registries. Nathan presses on pricing terms after Michael corrects himself from an annual subscription to a $54.95 one-time lifetime fee.20:27–21:55 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Famous Five Questions with Michael Hamilton Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Michael provides brief answers regarding books, sleep, and technical co-founders before wrapping up.0:38–2:57 · Guest teaching 4/10 Introducing Michael Hamilton and Peeva's Mission Nathan introduces Michael and probes how his e-discovery litigation background connects to pets. Michael explains that veterinary fragmentation makes pet tracking a large data set problem, while Nathan jokingly reframes the business model as consumer-to-dog.2:58–6:40 · Guest teaching 5/10 Vet Onboarding and Universal Microchip Auto-Enrollment Nathan drills into the mechanics of vet onboarding, manufacturing sourcing, and chip unit economics. Michael educates him on ISO universal frequencies and explains why they buy chips for under a dollar.6:41–10:33 · Guest teaching 5/10 Bootstrapping Peeva and Founder Origins Nathan inquires about early capital allocation and why shipped chips exceed implanted chips. Michael explains how fraudulent free registries harvest and sell pet owner marketing data.10:34–13:53 · Guest teaching 5/10 Revenue Sharing and Monetization with Vet Clinics Nathan pushes to understand the clinic monetization model and performs live math on monthly billings per hospital. He challenges Michael to clarify that the vet revenue split is a one-time charge rather than recurring SaaS.13:53–18:06 · Guest teaching 4/10 Team Expansion, Profitability, and 900% Revenue Growth High friction occurs when Michael refuses to disclose exact revenue figures citing his status as a single dad. Nathan refuses this deflection and challenges Michael's claims regarding growth percentages across B2B and B2C segments.18:10–20:26 · Guest teaching 6/10 Direct-to-Consumer Lifetime Protection and API Integrations Michael clarifies the direct-to-consumer line of business and API access for competitor registries. Nathan presses on pricing terms after Michael corrects himself from an annual subscription to a $54.95 one-time lifetime fee.20:27–21:55 · Guest teaching 1/10 Famous Five Questions with Michael Hamilton Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Michael provides brief answers regarding books, sleep, and technical co-founders before wrapping up.0:38–2:57 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Introducing Michael Hamilton and Peeva's Mission Nathan introduces Michael and probes how his e-discovery litigation background connects to pets. Michael explains that veterinary fragmentation makes pet tracking a large data set problem, while Nathan jokingly reframes the business model as consumer-to-dog.2:58–6:40 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Vet Onboarding and Universal Microchip Auto-Enrollment Nathan drills into the mechanics of vet onboarding, manufacturing sourcing, and chip unit economics. Michael educates him on ISO universal frequencies and explains why they buy chips for under a dollar.6:41–10:33 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Bootstrapping Peeva and Founder Origins Nathan inquires about early capital allocation and why shipped chips exceed implanted chips. Michael explains how fraudulent free registries harvest and sell pet owner marketing data.10:34–13:53 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Revenue Sharing and Monetization with Vet Clinics Nathan pushes to understand the clinic monetization model and performs live math on monthly billings per hospital. He challenges Michael to clarify that the vet revenue split is a one-time charge rather than recurring SaaS.13:53–18:06 · Guest disagreement 6/10 Team Expansion, Profitability, and 900% Revenue Growth High friction occurs when Michael refuses to disclose exact revenue figures citing his status as a single dad. Nathan refuses this deflection and challenges Michael's claims regarding growth percentages across B2B and B2C segments.18:10–20:26 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Direct-to-Consumer Lifetime Protection and API Integrations Michael clarifies the direct-to-consumer line of business and API access for competitor registries. Nathan presses on pricing terms after Michael corrects himself from an annual subscription to a $54.95 one-time lifetime fee.20:27–21:55 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Famous Five Questions with Michael Hamilton Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Michael provides brief answers regarding books, sleep, and technical co-founders before wrapping up.0:38–2:57 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Introducing Michael Hamilton and Peeva's Mission Nathan introduces Michael and probes how his e-discovery litigation background connects to pets. Michael explains that veterinary fragmentation makes pet tracking a large data set problem, while Nathan jokingly reframes the business model as consumer-to-dog.2:58–6:40 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Vet Onboarding and Universal Microchip Auto-Enrollment Nathan drills into the mechanics of vet onboarding, manufacturing sourcing, and chip unit economics. Michael educates him on ISO universal frequencies and explains why they buy chips for under a dollar.6:41–10:33 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Bootstrapping Peeva and Founder Origins Nathan inquires about early capital allocation and why shipped chips exceed implanted chips. Michael explains how fraudulent free registries harvest and sell pet owner marketing data.10:34–13:53 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Revenue Sharing and Monetization with Vet Clinics Nathan pushes to understand the clinic monetization model and performs live math on monthly billings per hospital. He challenges Michael to clarify that the vet revenue split is a one-time charge rather than recurring SaaS.13:53–18:06 · Nathan pushing back 8/10 Team Expansion, Profitability, and 900% Revenue Growth High friction occurs when Michael refuses to disclose exact revenue figures citing his status as a single dad. Nathan refuses this deflection and challenges Michael's claims regarding growth percentages across B2B and B2C segments.18:10–20:26 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Direct-to-Consumer Lifetime Protection and API Integrations Michael clarifies the direct-to-consumer line of business and API access for competitor registries. Nathan presses on pricing terms after Michael corrects himself from an annual subscription to a $54.95 one-time lifetime fee.20:27–21:55 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Famous Five Questions with Michael Hamilton Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Michael provides brief answers regarding books, sleep, and technical co-founders before wrapping up.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 52.8% · guest 47.2%0:00 · Nathan 52.8% · guest 47.2%3:00 · Nathan 28.8% · guest 71.2%3:00 · Nathan 28.8% · guest 71.2%6:00 · Nathan 24.2% · guest 75.8%6:00 · Nathan 24.2% · guest 75.8%9:00 · Nathan 16.2% · guest 83.8%9:00 · Nathan 16.2% · guest 83.8%12:00 · Nathan 30.5% · guest 69.5%12:00 · Nathan 30.5% · guest 69.5%15:00 · Nathan 27.5% · guest 72.5%15:00 · Nathan 27.5% · guest 72.5%18:00 · Nathan 34.6% · guest 65.4%18:00 · Nathan 34.6% · guest 65.4%21:00 · Nathan 61.1% · guest 38.9%21:00 · Nathan 61.1% · guest 38.9%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 17:02 Michael deflects revenue inquiry by claiming Nathan is confused

Michael pushes back against Nathan's top-line revenue questions by accusing him of confusing B2B and B2C sales lines.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 16:08 Nathan rejects Michael's single-dad reasoning for withholding data

Nathan directly questions why being a single dad prevents Michael from sharing company revenue performance and insists on business clarity.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 18:20 Michael outlines why owners register competitor microchips with Peeva

Michael educates Nathan on why pet owners with competitor chips pay a direct fee to Peeva to ensure universal discoverability across hospital networks.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 17:15 Nathan cuts through segment distinctions to verify net revenue growth

Nathan dismisses Michael's attempt to compartmentalize business units and forces precise clarity on the 900% year-over-year revenue growth figure.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Introducing Michael Hamilton and Peeva's Mission 5412 Nathan introduces Michael and probes how his e-discovery litigation background connects to pets. Michael explains that veterinary fragmentation makes pet tracking a large data set problem, while Nathan jokingly reframes the business model as consumer-to-dog.
Vet Onboarding and Universal Microchip Auto-Enrollment 6524 Nathan drills into the mechanics of vet onboarding, manufacturing sourcing, and chip unit economics. Michael educates him on ISO universal frequencies and explains why they buy chips for under a dollar.
Bootstrapping Peeva and Founder Origins 5523 Nathan inquires about early capital allocation and why shipped chips exceed implanted chips. Michael explains how fraudulent free registries harvest and sell pet owner marketing data.
Revenue Sharing and Monetization with Vet Clinics 7536 Nathan pushes to understand the clinic monetization model and performs live math on monthly billings per hospital. He challenges Michael to clarify that the vet revenue split is a one-time charge rather than recurring SaaS.
Team Expansion, Profitability, and 900% Revenue Growth 8468 High friction occurs when Michael refuses to disclose exact revenue figures citing his status as a single dad. Nathan refuses this deflection and challenges Michael's claims regarding growth percentages across B2B and B2C segments.
Direct-to-Consumer Lifetime Protection and API Integrations 6645 Michael clarifies the direct-to-consumer line of business and API access for competitor registries. Nathan presses on pricing terms after Michael corrects himself from an annual subscription to a $54.95 one-time lifetime fee.
Famous Five Questions with Michael Hamilton 3101 Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Michael provides brief answers regarding books, sleep, and technical co-founders before wrapping up.

Statements from this episode (17)

Assertion Partly supported
Hamilton: Peeva is first to read and catalog any microchip brand
“We're the first to read, record, analyze, catalog, any brand of microchip, regardless of the manufacturer.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 2:09
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Peeva pairs millions of microchip IDs with medical records
“We pair literally millions of pet microchip IDs with pet medical records in one centralized location.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 2:15
Disclosure
Hamilton: Peeva auto-enrolls pets chipped by other brands for free
“Every pet that is already chipped with another brand. Is auto enrolled into Piva at no cost of the hospital or the pet owner.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 3:49
Assertion Supported
Hamilton: US pet microchips lack universal scanner compatibility across frequencies
“See, in the States, part of the problem is not all microchips can be read by all microchip scanners because there's multiple distributors, multiple frequencies.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 5:26
Disclosure
Hamilton: Peeva pays under $1 per pet microchip at volume
“I mean, if you got them individually, they'd be really expensive, but literally like less than a dollar.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 6:04
Disclosure
Hamilton: Personally invested a couple hundred thousand dollars into Peeva
“A couple 100,000.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 7:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Peeva has an estimated 176,000 microchips implanted in pets
“As far as how many have actually been implanted, we estimate, I could, I would say, you know, around a 176,000.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 8:36
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Peeva has shipped nearly 300,000 microchips
“A little under 300,000.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 8:53
Disclosure
Hamilton: Peeva bills veterinary clinics only after they bill pet owners
“We give them an inventory of chips. We provide them with kiosks, scanners, marketing literature. They it bill that the pet owner, and then we build the vet.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 10:09
Disclosure
Hamilton: Peeva splits $40 to $80 one-time microchip fees with vets
“Some vets are charging about 80 dollars for a one-time fee. Some vets are charging as low as 40 dollars for a one-time fee. And then we are literally going halfway with the vets on it.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 11:30
Assertion Supported
Hamilton: Peeva competes against multi-billion dollar incumbents like Merck
“Right. As of right now you know, barriers to entry, you know, we're industry newcomer are competing against the status quo, which are owned by companies like Merck and Henry Sheen and, you know, multi-billion dollar organizations that have been around since th…”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 13:18
Disclosure
Hamilton: Peeva is a fully bootstrapped company
“We are bootstrapped.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 14:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Peeva has achieved profitability
“We've finally gotten to the point where we're making more, more money than you're profitable today then. Yeah. Yeah.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 14:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Peeva is currently installed in 251 veterinary hospitals
“It's 251 at the moment.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 15:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Peeva's Year-to-Date Revenue Grew 991.8% Year-Over-Year
“So all across the board this year over last year at this time we've made 991.8% over last year.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 17:22
Disclosure
Hamilton: Peeva charges consumers a one-time fee of $54.95 for pet registration
“It's a one-time fee as of right now for 5495.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 19:46
Insight
Hamilton: Don't start a tech company without a technical co-founder
“Do not start a tech company unless you have a tech co-founder or learn as much about code as you possibly can.”
Michael Hamilton Nov 27, 2022 ▶ 21:18
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