Oct 16, 2023 · 19m · top-founders

How Chaser hit $294K revenue and 3 person team in 2023

Josh Martel · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this episode of Conversations with Nathan Latka, host Nathan Latka interviews Josh Martel, founder of Chaser, exploring the startup's Slack-integrated task delegation tool, early cohort retention metrics, lean capitalization, and product-led growth strategy.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 41.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.7 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 1.7 Nathan pushing back 4.0
05100:0010:000:39–3:54 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Executive Overview of Chaser's Metrics and Model Nathan digs into Josh's career trajectory at Thriver and tests his knowledge on vesting schedules and equity before transitioning to the problem Chaser solves. Josh clearly articulates the product vision and market opportunity without tension.3:55–7:31 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 MVP Traction, Retention Tracking, and Active Usage Nathan presses Josh on the validity of his 43% retention metric and challenges whether sending a task is really the key value driver versus task completion. Josh acknowledges the gap in tracking completed tasks and admits they took a shortcut in their analytics.7:31–9:45 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Acquisition Channels and Pre-Seed Fundraising History Nathan investigates Chaser's fundraising terms, clarifying the dilution mechanics on the $100k pre-seed SAFE and ad spend. Josh transparently shares numbers and corrects Nathan on the second check size being $20k rather than $50k.9:46–13:07 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Team Structure, Equity Allocation, and Monetization Strategy Nathan asks about co-founder equity splits and product monetization plans. Josh elaborates on product-led growth lessons learned from procuring software during his time as a director at Thriver.13:07–17:38 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Marketplace Dynamics and Slack App Directory Ranking Nathan strongly challenges Josh's assumption that product quality alone can overcome incumbent dominance on the Slack App Directory popularity algorithm. Josh stands firm on his thesis that daily engagement will help them outrank passive notification extensions like Trello.17:38–18:46 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Josh provides straightforward, concise answers with minimal friction.0:39–3:54 · Guest teaching 2/10 Executive Overview of Chaser's Metrics and Model Nathan digs into Josh's career trajectory at Thriver and tests his knowledge on vesting schedules and equity before transitioning to the problem Chaser solves. Josh clearly articulates the product vision and market opportunity without tension.3:55–7:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 MVP Traction, Retention Tracking, and Active Usage Nathan presses Josh on the validity of his 43% retention metric and challenges whether sending a task is really the key value driver versus task completion. Josh acknowledges the gap in tracking completed tasks and admits they took a shortcut in their analytics.7:31–9:45 · Guest teaching 2/10 Acquisition Channels and Pre-Seed Fundraising History Nathan investigates Chaser's fundraising terms, clarifying the dilution mechanics on the $100k pre-seed SAFE and ad spend. Josh transparently shares numbers and corrects Nathan on the second check size being $20k rather than $50k.9:46–13:07 · Guest teaching 2/10 Team Structure, Equity Allocation, and Monetization Strategy Nathan asks about co-founder equity splits and product monetization plans. Josh elaborates on product-led growth lessons learned from procuring software during his time as a director at Thriver.13:07–17:38 · Guest teaching 3/10 Marketplace Dynamics and Slack App Directory Ranking Nathan strongly challenges Josh's assumption that product quality alone can overcome incumbent dominance on the Slack App Directory popularity algorithm. Josh stands firm on his thesis that daily engagement will help them outrank passive notification extensions like Trello.17:38–18:46 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Josh provides straightforward, concise answers with minimal friction.0:39–3:54 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Executive Overview of Chaser's Metrics and Model Nathan digs into Josh's career trajectory at Thriver and tests his knowledge on vesting schedules and equity before transitioning to the problem Chaser solves. Josh clearly articulates the product vision and market opportunity without tension.3:55–7:31 · Guest disagreement 2/10 MVP Traction, Retention Tracking, and Active Usage Nathan presses Josh on the validity of his 43% retention metric and challenges whether sending a task is really the key value driver versus task completion. Josh acknowledges the gap in tracking completed tasks and admits they took a shortcut in their analytics.7:31–9:45 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Acquisition Channels and Pre-Seed Fundraising History Nathan investigates Chaser's fundraising terms, clarifying the dilution mechanics on the $100k pre-seed SAFE and ad spend. Josh transparently shares numbers and corrects Nathan on the second check size being $20k rather than $50k.9:46–13:07 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Team Structure, Equity Allocation, and Monetization Strategy Nathan asks about co-founder equity splits and product monetization plans. Josh elaborates on product-led growth lessons learned from procuring software during his time as a director at Thriver.13:07–17:38 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Marketplace Dynamics and Slack App Directory Ranking Nathan strongly challenges Josh's assumption that product quality alone can overcome incumbent dominance on the Slack App Directory popularity algorithm. Josh stands firm on his thesis that daily engagement will help them outrank passive notification extensions like Trello.17:38–18:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Josh provides straightforward, concise answers with minimal friction.0:39–3:54 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Executive Overview of Chaser's Metrics and Model Nathan digs into Josh's career trajectory at Thriver and tests his knowledge on vesting schedules and equity before transitioning to the problem Chaser solves. Josh clearly articulates the product vision and market opportunity without tension.3:55–7:31 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 MVP Traction, Retention Tracking, and Active Usage Nathan presses Josh on the validity of his 43% retention metric and challenges whether sending a task is really the key value driver versus task completion. Josh acknowledges the gap in tracking completed tasks and admits they took a shortcut in their analytics.7:31–9:45 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Acquisition Channels and Pre-Seed Fundraising History Nathan investigates Chaser's fundraising terms, clarifying the dilution mechanics on the $100k pre-seed SAFE and ad spend. Josh transparently shares numbers and corrects Nathan on the second check size being $20k rather than $50k.9:46–13:07 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Team Structure, Equity Allocation, and Monetization Strategy Nathan asks about co-founder equity splits and product monetization plans. Josh elaborates on product-led growth lessons learned from procuring software during his time as a director at Thriver.13:07–17:38 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Marketplace Dynamics and Slack App Directory Ranking Nathan strongly challenges Josh's assumption that product quality alone can overcome incumbent dominance on the Slack App Directory popularity algorithm. Josh stands firm on his thesis that daily engagement will help them outrank passive notification extensions like Trello.17:38–18:46 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Josh provides straightforward, concise answers with minimal friction.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 69.4% · guest 30.6%0:00 · Nathan 69.4% · guest 30.6%3:00 · Nathan 26.2% · guest 73.8%3:00 · Nathan 26.2% · guest 73.8%6:00 · Nathan 30.8% · guest 69.2%6:00 · Nathan 30.8% · guest 69.2%9:00 · Nathan 48.8% · guest 51.2%9:00 · Nathan 48.8% · guest 51.2%12:00 · Nathan 33.4% · guest 66.6%12:00 · Nathan 33.4% · guest 66.6%15:00 · Nathan 32.4% · guest 67.6%15:00 · Nathan 32.4% · guest 67.6%18:00 · Nathan 63.3% · guest 36.7%18:00 · Nathan 63.3% · guest 36.7%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:50 Josh defends ranking capability against Trello

Josh rejects Nathan's skepticism and argues that Chaser's deep in-Slack functionality will drive superior engagement compared to simple notification integrations like Trello.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 16:49 Nathan rejects product purity distribution thesis

Nathan directly counters Josh, pointing out that incumbents cross-promote their apps and that relying purely on product quality without distribution arbitrage rarely works for startups.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:24 Josh clarifies cohort retention math

Josh corrects Nathan's assumption by explaining that the 43% retention figure applies strictly to the mature 16-week cohort rather than all 100 signed-up companies.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 5:39 Nathan questions underlying retention incentive

Nathan uses his product knowledge to demonstrate that sending tasks is not the true value moment for users, forcing Josh to admit a blind spot in tracking completed tasks.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Executive Overview of Chaser's Metrics and Model 5213 Nathan digs into Josh's career trajectory at Thriver and tests his knowledge on vesting schedules and equity before transitioning to the problem Chaser solves. Josh clearly articulates the product vision and market opportunity without tension.
MVP Traction, Retention Tracking, and Active Usage 7326 Nathan presses Josh on the validity of his 43% retention metric and challenges whether sending a task is really the key value driver versus task completion. Josh acknowledges the gap in tracking completed tasks and admits they took a shortcut in their analytics.
Acquisition Channels and Pre-Seed Fundraising History 6214 Nathan investigates Chaser's fundraising terms, clarifying the dilution mechanics on the $100k pre-seed SAFE and ad spend. Josh transparently shares numbers and corrects Nathan on the second check size being $20k rather than $50k.
Team Structure, Equity Allocation, and Monetization Strategy 5213 Nathan asks about co-founder equity splits and product monetization plans. Josh elaborates on product-led growth lessons learned from procuring software during his time as a director at Thriver.
Marketplace Dynamics and Slack App Directory Ranking 8347 Nathan strongly challenges Josh's assumption that product quality alone can overcome incumbent dominance on the Slack App Directory popularity algorithm. Josh stands firm on his thesis that daily engagement will help them outrank passive notification extensions like Trello.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 3111 Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Josh provides straightforward, concise answers with minimal friction.

Statements from this episode (11)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Thriver's revenue dropped 97% when the COVID-19 pandemic hit
“The issue was that our revenue tanked 97% when COVID hit.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 2:03
Opinion
Project management software is broken because teams resist workflow changes
“Projects management software is widely broken right now. And that's because most teams don't care enough to adapt their workflow around it.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 2:34
Assertion Contradicted
Chaser is a project management tool that requires only one user
“Chaser is the only project management software that only one user needs to use”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 3:05
Assertion Not checkable as stated
One hundred companies have started using Chaser's free Slack MVP
“We've had a hundred companies start using us.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 4:11
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Chaser's Slack MVP maintained 43% user retention at week 16
“And what I can tell you is that for 16 weeks of using our MVP, we still have 43% retention.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 4:44
Assertion Contradicted
Chaser lets users delegate tasks to anyone, regardless of their platform
“Where Chaser comes in is it can send and delegate tasks to anybody, whether or not They're engaged with any platform.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 7:25
Disclosure
Chaser raised $120K from a VC and two angel investors
“So we raised a 120,000 dollars so far. A hundred from a VC and 20 from a pair of angels.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 8:32
Disclosure
Chaser raised a $100K VC round at a $7M valuation cap
“We did that on a seven mil valuation cap.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 8:59
Disclosure
Chaser operates with two contract developers and two unpaid co-founders
“Four. Myself, my co-founder who are not paid we're roughing it out, and I just moved to San Francisco, so that is tough to be living here without a salary. And then we have two developers. Yeah. They're on contracts, but they're working full-time hours.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 9:54
Disclosure
Josh Martel and his co-founder split Chaser's equity 50-50
“We discussed it, but we both were very happy with fifty-fifty.”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 10:23
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Chaser can beat Trello's Slack app because it lacks stickiness
“What I think, though, is we can beat Trello in the app store, and that's because Yeah, I've used the Trello app. It isn't sticky. It doesn't, it's just pinging a channel whenever somebody you know, moves a card across the Trello board. It only really stayed on…”
Josh Martel Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 15:52
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