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Nov 7, 2023 · 19m · top-founders

How to do $500,000 Revenue in 8 Weeks launching new AI SaaS Tool

Aaron Vidas · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this founder interview, host Nathan Latka speaks with entrepreneur Aaron Vidas about shuttering his venture-backed enterprise startup StrategyBox following generative AI disruption and subsequently launching DAS Services, an AI workflow consultancy and SaaS tool pacing over $500,000 in its first eight weeks.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 43.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.5 Guest teaching 3.3 Guest disagreement 1.3 Nathan pushing back 3.5
05100:0010:000:20–4:12 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 DAS Business Model, Offerings, and Revenue Nathan methodically breaks down the guest's business model, clarifying pricing tiers between professional services and SaaS units. Aaron collaboratively details their early revenue and product roadmap.4:12–7:32 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 StrategyBox Background and ChatGPT-Driven Shutdown Nathan asks what caused StrategyBox to shut down after raising a $2M seed round, and Aaron explains the impact of enterprise non-payments and the emergence of ChatGPT before the segment transitions into a midroll sponsor read.7:33–14:52 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 StrategyBox Post-Mortem: Enterprise Realities and Founder Insights Nathan applies strong pushback on Aaron's decision-making, questioning why he chose a zero-dollar BATNA instead of selling and why he raised capital when his intuition warned against it. Aaron transparently reflects on enterprise sales cycles, build-vs-buy objections, and founder ego.14:52–17:52 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Investor Outcomes and Clean Cap Table Structure Nathan inquires about cap table dynamics and whether previous investors rolled into the new entity, leading to Aaron explaining UK EIS tax relief. The interview concludes smoothly through the Famous Five questions where Nathan demonstrates knowledge of business literature and executive names.0:20–4:12 · Guest teaching 2/10 DAS Business Model, Offerings, and Revenue Nathan methodically breaks down the guest's business model, clarifying pricing tiers between professional services and SaaS units. Aaron collaboratively details their early revenue and product roadmap.4:12–7:32 · Guest teaching 3/10 StrategyBox Background and ChatGPT-Driven Shutdown Nathan asks what caused StrategyBox to shut down after raising a $2M seed round, and Aaron explains the impact of enterprise non-payments and the emergence of ChatGPT before the segment transitions into a midroll sponsor read.7:33–14:52 · Guest teaching 4/10 StrategyBox Post-Mortem: Enterprise Realities and Founder Insights Nathan applies strong pushback on Aaron's decision-making, questioning why he chose a zero-dollar BATNA instead of selling and why he raised capital when his intuition warned against it. Aaron transparently reflects on enterprise sales cycles, build-vs-buy objections, and founder ego.14:52–17:52 · Guest teaching 4/10 Investor Outcomes and Clean Cap Table Structure Nathan inquires about cap table dynamics and whether previous investors rolled into the new entity, leading to Aaron explaining UK EIS tax relief. The interview concludes smoothly through the Famous Five questions where Nathan demonstrates knowledge of business literature and executive names.0:20–4:12 · Guest disagreement 1/10 DAS Business Model, Offerings, and Revenue Nathan methodically breaks down the guest's business model, clarifying pricing tiers between professional services and SaaS units. Aaron collaboratively details their early revenue and product roadmap.4:12–7:32 · Guest disagreement 1/10 StrategyBox Background and ChatGPT-Driven Shutdown Nathan asks what caused StrategyBox to shut down after raising a $2M seed round, and Aaron explains the impact of enterprise non-payments and the emergence of ChatGPT before the segment transitions into a midroll sponsor read.7:33–14:52 · Guest disagreement 2/10 StrategyBox Post-Mortem: Enterprise Realities and Founder Insights Nathan applies strong pushback on Aaron's decision-making, questioning why he chose a zero-dollar BATNA instead of selling and why he raised capital when his intuition warned against it. Aaron transparently reflects on enterprise sales cycles, build-vs-buy objections, and founder ego.14:52–17:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Investor Outcomes and Clean Cap Table Structure Nathan inquires about cap table dynamics and whether previous investors rolled into the new entity, leading to Aaron explaining UK EIS tax relief. The interview concludes smoothly through the Famous Five questions where Nathan demonstrates knowledge of business literature and executive names.0:20–4:12 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 DAS Business Model, Offerings, and Revenue Nathan methodically breaks down the guest's business model, clarifying pricing tiers between professional services and SaaS units. Aaron collaboratively details their early revenue and product roadmap.4:12–7:32 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 StrategyBox Background and ChatGPT-Driven Shutdown Nathan asks what caused StrategyBox to shut down after raising a $2M seed round, and Aaron explains the impact of enterprise non-payments and the emergence of ChatGPT before the segment transitions into a midroll sponsor read.7:33–14:52 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 StrategyBox Post-Mortem: Enterprise Realities and Founder Insights Nathan applies strong pushback on Aaron's decision-making, questioning why he chose a zero-dollar BATNA instead of selling and why he raised capital when his intuition warned against it. Aaron transparently reflects on enterprise sales cycles, build-vs-buy objections, and founder ego.14:52–17:52 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Investor Outcomes and Clean Cap Table Structure Nathan inquires about cap table dynamics and whether previous investors rolled into the new entity, leading to Aaron explaining UK EIS tax relief. The interview concludes smoothly through the Famous Five questions where Nathan demonstrates knowledge of business literature and executive names.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 26.5% · guest 73.5%0:00 · Nathan 26.5% · guest 73.5%3:00 · Nathan 46.5% · guest 53.5%3:00 · Nathan 46.5% · guest 53.5%6:00 · Nathan 69.9% · guest 30.1%6:00 · Nathan 69.9% · guest 30.1%9:00 · Nathan 14.5% · guest 85.5%9:00 · Nathan 14.5% · guest 85.5%12:00 · Nathan 29.5% · guest 70.5%12:00 · Nathan 29.5% · guest 70.5%15:00 · Nathan 46.2% · guest 53.8%15:00 · Nathan 46.2% · guest 53.8%18:00 · Nathan 100% · guest 0%18:00 · Nathan 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 8:08 Aaron challenges the assumption that acquirers prefer buying over building

Aaron pushes back on the idea that selling StrategyBox was straightforward, outlining the persistent build-vs-buy hurdle where enterprise CTOs claimed they could build it cheaper.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 13:00 Nathan challenges the decision to raise capital instead of selling

Nathan directly challenges Aaron for forcing a $2M funding round years after having gut instincts to quit, pointing out how it eliminated his optionality to exit at a modest valuation.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 15:25 Aaron explains investor downside protection via EIS

Aaron educates Nathan on the UK's Enterprise Investment Scheme (EIS), explaining how his seed investors were able to recover nearly half their capital through tax loss relief.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 16:15 Nathan showcases knowledge on historical conglomerate CEOs

When Aaron mentions Henry Singleton and struggles to remember Vista Equity's founder, Nathan immediately connects Singleton to Teledyne, cites 'The Outsiders', and supplies Robert Smith's name.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
DAS Business Model, Offerings, and Revenue 6212 Nathan methodically breaks down the guest's business model, clarifying pricing tiers between professional services and SaaS units. Aaron collaboratively details their early revenue and product roadmap.
StrategyBox Background and ChatGPT-Driven Shutdown 3312 Nathan asks what caused StrategyBox to shut down after raising a $2M seed round, and Aaron explains the impact of enterprise non-payments and the emergence of ChatGPT before the segment transitions into a midroll sponsor read.
StrategyBox Post-Mortem: Enterprise Realities and Founder Insights 7427 Nathan applies strong pushback on Aaron's decision-making, questioning why he chose a zero-dollar BATNA instead of selling and why he raised capital when his intuition warned against it. Aaron transparently reflects on enterprise sales cycles, build-vs-buy objections, and founder ego.
Investor Outcomes and Clean Cap Table Structure 6413 Nathan inquires about cap table dynamics and whether previous investors rolled into the new entity, leading to Aaron explaining UK EIS tax relief. The interview concludes smoothly through the Famous Five questions where Nathan demonstrates knowledge of business literature and executive names.

Statements from this episode (8)

Disclosure
Vidas: DAS Services AI Maximizer fees range from $30K to $250K
“So our AI maximizer, our fee for services are between 30 K and 250 K dash training the projects. Right now we have three active customers. We're at about 41 and a half thousand a month.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 3:01
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Vidas: Eight-week-old DAS Services will exceed $500K in 2023 revenue
“Well, I launched the company eight weeks ago, so the 20, the total revenue will sit at probably about a, just over a half million dollars.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 3:46
Disclosure
Vidas: StrategyBox Faced Customer Defaults and Failed Acquisition
“Unfortunately we had a series of events where I had, we had some non-payment by customers. We had a deal fall through for acquisition.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 4:26
Disclosure
Vidas shut down StrategyBox fearing ChatGPT would usurp its core tech
“We also saw we had early access to ChatGPT just because it was a data management platform, and we did AI and machine learning. I had a look at a lot of the functionality that we were building and investing in, and I looked at the capabilities of ChatGPT, and I…”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 4:46
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Vidas: Rebuilding StrategyBox's Platform Costs Up to $3.5M
“If a company wants to go build the functionality that we had before you'd be looking at 3.25 to three and a half million us just in hard labor costs and, you know, nine to 12 months.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 8:33
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Vidas: StrategyBox Peaked at Nearly $900K ARR
“Four and five, 900 K. We had 900, we had close to 900 K in ARR.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 12:01
Disclosure
Vidas: DAS Services shares no IP or equity with prior startup
“No, it was an entirely separate business. It's there's no intellectual property share. There's no, they're just totally separate things.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 15:02
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Vidas: UK EIS tax relief lets StrategyBox investors recover half their loss
“Their investors will still get a tax loss because we were part of an investment scheme called EIS, which is in the UK. So their investors will recover about half of the money.”
Aaron Vidas Nov 7, 2023 ▶ 15:35
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