Jul 1, 2024 · 49m · startup-ideas
SaaS apps that will print profits
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Host Greg Isenberg interviews entrepreneur and investor Brett Goldstein to unveil high-potential startup ideas, actionable SaaS frameworks, and strategic product wedges designed to modernize legacy workflows and disrupt established tech incumbents.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Greg holds 27.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Greg as informed peer 4.2 Guest teaching 4.2 Guest disagreement 1.0 Greg pushing back 0.6
speaking balance: gold is Greg, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 2:43 Dismissing Generic Social Hangout Apps
Brett forcefully rejects the standard collegiate startup concept of meeting up when bored, citing fundamental negative selection bias.
Hardest push from Greg ▶ 16:22 Probing Abandonment of Conference IdeaGreg directly presses Brett on why he abandoned the conference side-event idea if the market opportunity and wedge were so clear.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 43:38 M&A Realities in Niche Data SaaSBrett uses his insider knowledge of Clearbit's acquisition by HubSpot to educate Greg on why capability acquisitions don't receive standard enterprise multiples.
Greg holds their own ▶ 8:26 Identifying Cvent as $4.5B Market PrecedentGreg introduces Cvent as a $4.5B legacy competitor that Brett hadn't heard of, contextualizing Brett's wedge concept into a venture-scale market.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Greg as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Greg pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Introducing Brett Goldstein and the Philosophy of Idea Sharing | 2 | 4 | 1 | 0 | The conversation begins with warm rapport as Greg introduces Brett's background in VC and M&A. Brett leads the segment pitching his conference side-event aggregator concept, explaining how spreadsheet-based workflows reveal market opportunities. | |
| Sponsor Break: Highlighting BoringMarketing and Modern SEO Solutions | 5 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Greg highlights industry precedent by bringing up Cvent as a multi-billion dollar enterprise comp that Brett was unfamiliar with, and compares the user onboarding experience to Shopify's Shop app. Brett builds on this by explaining monetization through corporate learning and development budgets. | |
| Startup Idea 2: Vertical SaaS for Community Matchmakers | 6 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Brett details a vertical SaaS platform for community matchmakers, while Greg actively contributes market observations regarding secular demographic shifts and the 'arming the rebels' thesis from Shopify. | |
| Startup Idea 3: Serendipity and Gamified Real-World Dating | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Brett pitches 'Serendipity', a gamified real-world dating app that relies on mysterious councils and venue clues. Greg analyzes the concept as an experiential treasure hunt and evaluates its viral potential on social media. | |
| Startup Idea 4: AI-Driven Niche Data Enrichment Engine | 4 | 6 | 1 | 1 | Brett explains how LLMs disrupt legacy data enrichment platforms like Clearbit by unstructured crawling across niche verticals. When Greg asks about valuation multiples, Brett breaks down why HubSpot acquired Clearbit for capabilities rather than business multiples. |
Statements from this episode (12)
Goldstein: Giving away valuable ideas signals self-confidence and status
“Yeah, I mean, I think it's also just the most, the best expression of your self-confidence and status to give away stuff for free that is, like, extremely valuable, or you could benefit immensely from keeping it to yourself.”
Goldstein: Consumer Hangout Apps Consistently Fail Due to Negative Selection Bias
“It's an app to help you hang out with people when you're bored. And all of these apps have failed. Like all of them have failed. Like they just don't work. There's this negative selection bias where it's like the people who actually want to hang out are not th…”
Goldstein: Any Industry Workflow Relying on Spreadsheets Is a Startup Opportunity
“Anytime you have any industry anywhere in the world where somebody is using a spreadsheet, it should be like, you know, a light bulb going off. There's like, this is a startup opportunity. There's countless startups that started as spreadsheets or took process…”
Goldstein: Unbundling incumbents requires building for power-user niches
“The way you can be with any network is you carve off a section of it, of like extremely power users of some sort, some niche, and you build better features for them or something like that.”
Goldstein: Most employees spend their annual $2K–$3K L&D budget on conferences
“Conferences are actually where most people spend their learning and development budget at their companies. They're usually getting like two to 3000 dollars a year or something like that. These workers, these tech workers or any sort of worker, most of them spe…”
Goldstein: Dating app success comes from carving out niches, not mechanism
“The way that you would start a new dating app is you find a niche, you find a, an, a specific group of people, and then maybe there's some special mechanism, but the group of people matters more than the mechanism. Right? Any dating app you're on, like Raya is…”
Goldstein: Direct Dating Apps Suffer from Negative Selection Bias
“The reason dating feels icky to people is the same reason why like the app that helps people hang out when they're bored doesn't work is because when it's too on the nose, you know, It's too direct, right? Like I am single. I'm on a dating app to date. There's…”
Goldstein: Clearbit Charges Up to $0.50 Per Contact Enrichment
“Clearbit and others cost like up to 50 cents per, per contact enrichment.”
Goldstein: AI Data Enrichment Startups Quickly Reach $20K-$30K MRR
“I have friends who run, there are a handful of these startups that have popped up that do some sort of data enrichment. In the post AI world and they have gotten to, you know, 20, 30 K MRR pretty quickly just from basically selling CSVs.”
Goldstein: Clearbit Data Accuracy Jumped From 30% to 95% With LLMs
“So apparently when Clearbit added LLMs to their whole mix, they had data points that went from being like, 30% accurate to like, 95% accurate.”
Goldstein: Core enterprise workflow tools must be rebuilt every 5-10 years
“All these like core workflow tools, Need to get rebuilt every five to 10 years. Why is that? Because the technology gets better, right? People all want, people always want the same thing. They want it to be beautiful. They want it to look like the tools that t…”