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Zinman: Upmarket SaaS firms become irrelevant by abandoning SMBs
“People don't realize that the SMBs and mid-market of today are the enterprise of tomorrow. So they getting used to use another product, they're getting used to use another platform, and eventually they become the enterprise companies. And then those enterprise…”
Zinman: Scaling past $1B ARR requires going multi-product
“If you want to scale a company past a billion and even to a billion, you have to go multi-product. There's no other way you can do it.”
Zinman: Multi-product integration beats standalone best-of-breed CRM solutions
“And because of that, you don't necessarily have to have the best CRM in the world. It might be second place, but because of that integration and because of that data flows between the different products, you get such huge benefit from that, that it's a huge ad…”
Zinman: Great early salespeople can mask poor product-market fit
“Thinking in retrospect, let's say we had, like, an amazing salesperson in the company. Even though we had, in the beginning, like, a shitty product, that person might be able to sell. And then you get a wrong signal. You get a wrong signal. And because we didn…”
Zinman: monday.com Saw Lowest Ad Bids in History During Tech Downturn
“Because right now, ah, we, not only we kept doing it, but we actually scaled it, ah, and right now we have, like, the lowest bids, ah, that we ever saw, as a company, because everybody pulled back, A lot of companies reduce spend, and we're more aggressive tha…”
Zinman: Multi-Vertical Marketing Prevents Ad Inventory Exhaustion
“One thing that helped us reduce the marketing span was, let's say you focus just on one vertical. Let's say project management. At some point you exhaust the inventory. And then the incremental dollar you put is not as efficient as the first one. So, the fact …”
Zinman: Standard SaaS metrics like LTV, CAC, and ARR ignore actual cash
“All the metrics that you're using you know, LTV to CAC CAC return rate, all of them don't take cash into account, okay? It's not cash. It's not cash. ARR is not cash. CAC is not cash. LTV, well, I don't know what it is, but yeah. It's a bogus metric, but, ah, …”
Zinman: Mature SaaS companies spend most S&M budget on retaining existing ARR
“As companies have become more mature. Most of their S&M expense Is not spent on acquiring customers. Most of what they spend on is retaining their existing ARR.”
Zinman: Monday.com's SMB retention proved more stable than enterprise during the downturn
“In the last, You know, 12 months since the economy changed is that we actually found that our SMB budget was more stable than our enterprise segment. So the SMBs NRR, yeah, was actually more stable.”
Zinman: At $1B ARR, 30% Growth Requires Relying on Existing Customers
“Once, once you reach a billion, if you want to grow 30%,
The majority of revenue is going to come from your existing base, no matter how efficient your marketing is.
And we have a very efficient marketing engine, but yes, like just how math works, most of the …”
Zinman: HubSpot captured the SMB market because Salesforce moved upmarket
“Eventually you abandon the mid-market SMB segment, and then you have this huge vacuum. You leave a huge vacuum in the market. I think to some extent, I'm not an expert, but that will happen with Salesforce and HubSpot. Salesforce moved up market in a way. HubS…”
Zinman: monday.com chose AI consumption pricing expecting slower headcount growth
“Eventually we made the decision to charge per consumption and not tie it to the seat model. Because I think that if this is going to be widely successful, Maybe some of our customers would not hire as many people as they plan to.”
Zinman: Sell SMBs specific tools first, gradually revealing platform depth
“You don't need to tell the whole story from the beginning especially when you sell to SMBs. I think that we focused on giving them value as soon as possible. So if you were searching for a project management or CRM, we wanted to serve them a CRM or a project m…”
Zinman: monday.com's biggest product leaps came from unexpected features, not customer requests
“I think every time we made a leap in terms of product features, it wasn't because of feedback we got from customers. I always like to talk with customers, but actually the major leaps was things they didn't expect. So for example automations was a huge driver …”
Zinman: How monday.com spent $25M on marketing with $5M in cash
“When we had five million in a bank, we spent twenty-five million In performance marketing. Now, how do you do that? Because we recycle the money super quickly. We would spend, let's say, 300 K on performance marketing, and then after one month, we saw 50% back…”
Zinman: Founders should optimize for free cash flow rather than P&L profitability
“P&L, profitable, is not a way to optimize your company, ah, and free cash flow is much better because this is something that you can do things with it”
Zinman: For enterprise buyers, a human sales rep is the product
“What I found is that the most amazing product for enterprise companies is to have a person talking with them. You know, it's like they wanna talk with somebody. They have security issues, they have governance, they need help. And this is just a better product.”
Zinman: At Scale, a SaaS Company's Growth Rate Becomes Its NRR
“As you scale, even though you do performance marketing, you do the Super Bowl, you do whatever you want, that increment is going to be insignificant compared to the subscription revenue you already have. So, let's say you want to grow 30%, 40%. How do you do i…”
Zinman: Multi-year contracts can mask looming churn waves in hyper-growth SaaS
“And let's say you in hyper growth and sign a lot of revenue into two or three year contract, you know, you might find out in three years that you have a huge churn wave coming up that you didn't predict.”
Zinman: monday.com Gross Retention Is at an All-Time High
“We have our highest gross attention
Ever, I would say, currently.
The gross attention of the company, given the economy, given everything that's happening in the world just to give people context, like, we see gross attention going up, actually.”
Zinman: monday CRM is growing faster than core monday.com originally grew
“We have great momentum with CRM, and we're super proud of the growth, and it's actually grown faster than what Monday did back in the day, which is pretty impressive.”
Zinman: GTM messaging must target specific search intent over abstract platforms
“Nobody went on Google and searched for a flexible software to manage my business, right? Like, nobody does that. People search for project management, they search for CRM, so we had to change from, like, there's the company vision on one hand, but there's the …”
Zinman: 70% of monday.com's Customers Have Always Been Non-Tech
“From day one, 70% of our customers were non-tech, and non-tech, I mean, you can see here, like real estate, banking, construction, even churches were using us back in the days and now.”
Zinman: monday.com holds more cash than total venture and IPO capital raised
“We had more cash in the bank than we ever raised from VCs and the public market.”
Zinman: monday.com drove free cash flow inflection primarily by slowing hiring
“The only thing that happened here, during those four quarters, was that we slowed down hiring. That's the only thing.”
Zinman: 85% to 90% of monday.com's Revenue Comes from Existing Customers
“90%, 85, 90% of the revenue is from existing customers. That customer that... That's customers that have been with the company for more than a year.”
Zinman: Super Bowl ad traffic uplift wasn't worth the cost
“With Superbowl, it was more tricky, because it's like one day, one event, one commercial. Ah, the uplift wasn't worth it. Ah, I'll tell you what did happen. Ah, something that, in almost every sales call, ah, one of the customers mentioned that they saw us dur…”
Zinman: Monday.com bases marketing efficiency purely on cash collection speed
“And the way we've measured it as a company since day one, we didn't care about you know, like gap return on, on CAC. We cared about actual cash in the bank. So How much we spend, when do we actually spend the money, and how fast we get it from customers in ter…”
Zinman: monday.com serves over 250,000 customers across diverse industries and geographies
“And I think maybe what's a little bit unique about Monday is the variety of customers, not just the, you know, total number of customers, which is relatively high over 250,000, but the variety across different industries, different markets, different countries…”
Zinman: monday.com recorded 17 million AI actions following AI blocks launch
“We launched AI blocks and we actually saw more than seventeen million AI actions in the product in the last few months.”
Zinman: monday.com receives nearly 100,000 job applicant CVs monthly
“We, for example, we get about almost a 100,000 CVs a month.”
Zinman: monday.com was at $7M ARR in 2017
“So there was like five million dollars of ARR, 1,000,010 million, and I remember I think we had seven back then. Seven. Yeah, it was six years ago, we had seven million,”
Zinman: monday.com raised a $1.4M seed round at a $2M pre-money valuation
“Our first round, just so you all know, ah, we raised 1.4 million, ah, in two million pre.”
monday.com Considers Adding Consumption-Based Billing to Its Seat Model
“One thing we think about is maybe we should have, like, a mixed model, you know, both seats and consumption to an extent, so that's another thing that we're thinking about”
Zinman: monday.com Overall Gross Retention Sits in the Mid-Eighties
“We have gross retention around mid-eighties, something like that on all customers, but obviously it's much greater on enterprise.”
Zinman: Customers Over $50k ARR Now Drive Nearly 30% of monday.com Revenue
“We have the 50 K segment. So that was almost nothing like three or four years ago. Now it's almost 30%.”
Zinman: Mature SaaS companies generate up to 98% of revenue from existing customers
“Eventually as you mature as a SaaS company, the majority of your revenue, majority of subscription is actually coming from existing customers. Even to the point where it's 95%, 98% of the revenue. Is from existing customers.”
Zinman: A mature SaaS company's revenue growth rate eventually converges to its NDR
“When you reach that point NDR basically represents your growth rate. If you got a 130% NDR and 95% of your revenue is coming from existing customers, your revenue is going to be about 30%. Just the law of nature. Your new customer is going to add to that, but …”