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Bialecki: Future software engineering will be agent-driven with asynchronous human escalation
“I think this is the future of how software is going to get built, where very much when you do a normal product review with actual like humans, with people, like you meet and you discuss the key product decisions and you harden what you're after. We can now do …”
Bialecki: Headless software is the new default as user interfaces become infrastructure
“What we tend to think of as software. I now think of as its infrastructure. It's just a means to an end. So if you build some amazing UI, that's great. Like there might be, there are a lot of humans that will still use that some AIs, but the reality is like he…”
Bialecki: Klaviyo mandated all employees reach Level 3 agent proficiency by June
“We saw everybody's like, look, by the end of June, you need to be an L three, which is if you're not constantly running either end sessions or a team of agents, right? You're just not, you're not going to be skilled to survive in this next era.”
Bialecki: Fuzzy human workflow interfaces fail when deploying AI agents
“I know this feels, look, a lot of humans, we're used to these kind of fuzzy interfaces, and then we'll meet, we'll have meetings to kind of figure out what he's first going to do. I think that it's not a great way to work, honestly, and it doesn't work with ag…”
Bialecki: Most businesses will deploy their own AI agent by year-end
“By the end of this year, I think most businesses are gonna have their own agent. They deploy either on their website or behind a phone number or through email or to chat with your Claude that you can just access.”
Bialecki: AI agent products requiring manual implementation are dead on arrival
“I think for a lot of agents, if you can't try that product out of the gates and it requires an indication, you're dead on arrival.”
Bialecki: AI value is now in software harnesses around core LLMs
“I think one of the things that's happened with LLMs, we're now very firmly in this world of, hey, it's all about building the software that goes around the core LLM, the harness as we speak, as we talk about it.”
Bialecki: AI agents bypass human learning curves to become day-one power users
“Normally in software, you have this power law of like how good your users are, your products. Do you got a couple of really advanced users? Maybe you put them on a customer panel together. You bring them in and it really wants pushing the limits, but then you …”
Bialecki: Software developers should collect product feedback directly from AI agents
“Whether you're building agents, they're going to be the super users, or if you're building the software that you expect, either humans, we're going to plug into MCP or other people are going to expose to algorithms and agents, expect them to be super users. Al…”
Bialecki: Founders aiming for MVPs risk cutting essential product parts
“One of the things I tell, you know, entrepreneurs all the time is you have to be a little careful. I know people aim for MDPs, but sometimes you cut off parts that are really important.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo priced 50% to 100% above competitors to signal premium value
“We kind of looked at the pricing models of everybody else was out there and said, Hey, we're just going to charge, you know, 50% more, a hundred percent more. And we just made that our model.”
Bialecki: Everyone at Klaviyo codes, from the CEO down to interns
“One of the things that we have at Klaviyo is everybody, you know, we have a lot of engineers, but everybody codes. From myself all the way down to some of our like co-ops and interns for the summers.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo built an agent prototype over a weekend using 'Dark Factory'
“And that first prototype took a weekend to run and build through our dark factory pattern. And now we've been able to iterate on it on top of it.”
Bialecki: Treat foundation LLMs like athletic youth who need domain coaching
“So one of the mental models we have is I often tell folks like, look, you should treat the underlying, especially if you're building agentic products, you should treat the underlying LLM as like a very athletic middle schooler or high schooler, right? They're …”
Bialecki: Klaviyo uses internal coaching agents to vet AI marketing proposals
“Every time it has a proposal, like, Hey, we think you should market to these customers in this way. You should send them this email. It will go check its work kind of against its coach that will say, Hey, how good will this, how good do you think this will act…”
Bialecki: AI agents will automate marketing campaign execution and experimentation at scale
“And we think that's going to be the future of frankly, like how marketing and just consumer experiences in general are delivered. It's going to be much less like each of us deciding every single decision And more, Hey, having really good agents that will bring…”
Bialecki: Workers orchestrating AI agent teams will be enormously successful
“There's so few people that are gonna get there in the next year or two. If those skills are gonna be so valuable, if you truly are not talking about AI, right? Yes. But if you're the kind of person that's, I can put an agent to work and actually have to produc…”
Bialecki: Klaviyo built an agent to pre-screen ideas using past design critiques
“I took all the crits, all the feedback that we've given over the last couple of years, right? These like Zoom meetings or raw notes, we just dumped it in a database, right? Gave it to an agent and said, look, from here on out, before we even get to those revie…”
Bialecki: AI agent adoption will outpace the talent pool to build them
“The reality is agents are going to come into our lives, like for every business, much faster than I think we're going to be able to build up a population of people that know how to build them.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo built an engineering team for headless AI agent onboarding
“Are you one last thing we've done for infrastructure is we've also gone down this path of how do we let somebody sign up for our software with their identity, right? Email, phone number, whatever it is entirely and use our product without ever touching it. So …”
Bialecki: SaaS lacked customer playbooks while e-commerce had established playbooks
“In some sense, if you think about in the SaaS world, defining what customer success is, they didn't really have a customer success playbook. They were figuring it out as they went along. In e-commerce, everybody knew kind of the standard playbook.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo bet it could add marketing faster than martech could build databases
“We said, Hey, we think we can add, you know, messaging and some of the marketing primitives on top of our database faster than all of the existing, say marketing tech companies that just did, you know marketing stuff fast. And they could figure out how to buil…”
Bialecki: Email deliverability is far harder to solve than sending infrastructure
“When you get into messaging, the hard part is not so much actually sending an email. Like that's pretty straightforward. There's like, you could actually, you could do that yourself if you want. The really difficult part is getting it delivered.”
Bialecki: Email providers penalize senders for low recipient engagement, not keywords
“Gone are the days where it's like, if you use the word Viagra, like that's spam and everything else is like good. Now it's actually very personalized where, Hey, you know, you Jason, you'll stop getting emails if you just stop opening them. And it's the respon…”
Bialecki: Combining platform partnerships with owned content drives the fastest growth
“I mean, I would tell folks like you're building stuff, like you want to invest in both, right? I mean, certainly like the partnerships we built have been fantastic. And at the same time, like we've built more of our own content in our own kind of like, I don't…”
Bialecki: Klaviyo buried open and click rates to prioritize direct revenue metrics
“We actually, in our product, we just deleted or kind of hid and de-emphasized all of the classic kind of, you know, metrics, things like open rates, click rates, all that stuff. We just said, Hey, you can find it, but it's a couple of pages deep. Instead, we j…”
Bialecki: Software architecture should be platform-agnostic with an indirection layer
“First is I think you definitely want to build, I think it's a good idea to build, you know, your underlying tech so that it's kind of agnostic, right? So there's a level of indirection in between what you solve for and the other folks that today and tomorrow c…”
Bialecki: Shopify pioneered the developer ecosystem playbook that others now copy
“And again, I give Shopify a lot of credit for it. They, I think we're early to this game of realizing developers and building ecosystem mattered. I think a lot of folks have now tried to rinse and repeat their playbook.”
Bialecki: Superior B2B products force platforms to enable interoperability
“It's like, if you build the best product, like consumers are going to kind of, your customers are going to demand getting to interoperate with it.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo keeps internal team sizes between two and five people
“I mean, we try to keep teams like, you know, two, three, four, five people. And you, you're like, you're just this David versus Goliath. Like you're trying to solve this massive problem that there's whole companies out there that are trying to solve.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo is opening its full customer database APIs to developers
“Our big goals for this year is how do we make sure we've kind of opened up? I don't think anybody's ever done this. Give you all of the APIs into our customer database. So it's a little bit like a SQL database, but just really designed for kind of customer, yo…”
Bialecki: Klaviyo sales reps build customer workflows before asking for payment
“So our sales team will, I, this is not normal, but like they'll actually get into the product, help people set up a few, you know, whether it's a few emails, a few automated workflows, get them to show them some ROI all before we ever asked them to, you know, …”
Bialecki: Software companies must help agencies package their service offerings
“I think the key thing for us was you have to, a lot of people will be kind of interested, but you have to do a little bit of work for them, helping them figure out Especially let's say somebody that's selling services. What are the services they're going to se…”
Bialecki: Consumer brands must deliver all customer experiences via software automation
“Consumer teams don't have salespeople. They just, they have to deliver every experience automatically has to be done through software, not through people.”
Bialecki: Building AI agents is easy, but finding where they fail is hard
“Getting the agent going is pretty easy, but figuring out where it gets stuck is hard.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo built strict agent sandboxes to protect internal infrastructure
“One of the things we've done inside of Klaviyo is we've architect our agent environment so that it has very tight access to various like tools and controls in terms of what it's allowed to build on our infrastructure and then good sandboxing staging environmen…”
Bialecki: Klaviyo operated with only two people for its first three years
“The first three years of our company, all three years,
It was just two of us.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo reached ~1,000 customers and ~$1M run rate while bootstrapping
“The first three years of Klaviyo were really, it was our kind of bootstrapping phase, right? I think when we were about, after about three years, we'd gotten to Around, you know, maybe about a thousand customers, maybe around a million dollar run rate.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo built native revenue attribution in its second year
“Probably I think it was year number two for us. We invested a bunch in how do we make sure we can handle attribution internally? So you didn't have to use Google analytics or something or pay for some other software to do it.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo internally targets at least 10x to 20x customer ROI
“Our pricing model is still today is based on effectively the number of customers you have and how frequently and potentially how frequently you message them. But what we wanted to measure internally is we looked for every single, you know, business we worked w…”
Bialecki: De-anonymizing online consumer identities took off as a major trend during COVID
“This whole deal de-anonymizing who the consumer is, making it so that consumers, if they want to be known by that business, they can start to build that direct relationship. We think that's a really big trend and that definitely really took off last year.”
Bialecki: Klaviyo has historically underperformed in supporting ecosystem developers
“One of the things I think, honestly, we've not done a great job is being there for those, you know, those
Companies really, those entrepreneurs, as they're growing up and building, whether it's specific to Klaviyo or just like adjacent to us. So we're really p…”
Bialecki: Majority of Klaviyo customers start through self-serve
“I mean, definitely the majority of our customers come into us all self-serve.”