Sep 8, 2022 · 34m · saastr
The Secrets to Working with VC Associates, Scouts, Syndicates....& the True Gate Keepers to Venture
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In this presentation, investors Zach Coelius and Tiffany Luck provide startup founders with practical frameworks for navigating non-GP gatekeepers in venture capital, including associates, scouts, venture partners, and angel syndicates.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
Jason as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 0.2 Jason pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:14 Tiffany Softly Countering Market Cynicism
Tiffany gently pushes back against Zach's bleak hedge fund anecdote to clarify that reputable firms like GGV are still investing constructively and not renegotiating term sheets aggressively.
Hardest push from Jason ▶ 15:14 Nuancing Market Contraction BehaviorTiffany offers a contrasting perspective to prevent the audience from assuming all investors are pulling term sheets amidst the macroeconomic downturn.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 17:10 Educating Founders on Scout Signaling RiskZach breaks down the non-obvious downside of taking scout checks, teaching founders how downstream investors may view scout participation negatively if the lead firm passes.
Jason holds their own ▶ 12:26 Real-Time Market Valuation Collapse Case StudyZach demonstrates firsthand market insight by citing specific financial metrics and the abrupt valuation renegotiation of a high-growth SaaS portfolio company.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Jason as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Jason pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Understanding the Role and Value of VC Associates | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Zach Coelius and Tiffany Luck deliver a joint presentation advising founders on how to leverage and collaborate with VC associates. There is no active podcast host intervening, and the speakers collaborate seamlessly without conflict. | |
| Metrics That Matter and Adapting to Market Contractions | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Tiffany outlines essential SaaS metrics before Zach shares an anecdote regarding a hedge fund reneging on a term sheet due to public market multiple contractions. Tiffany mildly adds that not all VC firms behave this way in a collaborative exchange. | |
| Navigating Venture Scouts and Signaling Risks | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Zach details the mechanics of VC scout programs and warns founders about signaling risk if an affiliated firm chooses not to lead subsequent rounds. Tiffany agrees that scout structures vary widely by fund. | |
| Evaluating Venture Partners for Domain Expertise | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Tiffany and Zach discuss the strategic utility of venture partners who possess deep operational or industry expertise, highlighting case studies where domain depth won competitive term sheets. | |
| Leveraging Syndicates and Protecting the Cap Table | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Zach draws on his experience running AngelList syndicates to explain how syndicate leads operate and cautions founders against partnering with low-reputation intermediaries. Tiffany reinforces the importance of long-term cap table curation. |
Statements from this episode (10)
Zach Coelius: VC associates cannot close deals, but they can kill them
“One thing that I always like to tell the, my companies that I work with is that the associate can't necessarily get the deal done themselves. They're your advocate, but they can absolutely kill it. So if you don't make friends with your associate or whatever a…”
Zach Coelius: Founders should interview VC associates for competitor intelligence
“I think one of the other good things to think about when you work with associates is they can inform you about what they're seeing in the market in really powerful ways. So they spend A lot of time focused on your sector, your competitors, your ecosystem gener…”
Zach Coelius: Hedge fund reneged on a $50M term sheet before closing
“We went out to all the VC firms, hedge funds, the usual late stage check writers, and a hedge fund came in. They're gonna put in fifty million dollars at a four hundred million dollar post... It's supposed to close on a Friday. On Thursday, the hedge fund's li…”
Zach Coelius: Venture fundraising difficulty is returning to 2008 levels
“And 12 months ago, you could have gotten a term sheet a week after you got, you walked in that door. Now it's going to be a much longer, much harder, much more arduous fundraising process, more similar to what we saw two or three years ago. Certainly what we s…”
Zach Coelius: Founders should choose unaffiliated angel money over venture scouts
“Because if I had to choose between taking scout money Versus taking unaffiliated money. I would always take the unaffiliated money rather than taking the unnecessary signaling risk when you work with one of these firms, but without having them deeply involved.”
Zach Coelius: Founders should avoid venture partners lacking deep domain expertise
“Whenever I think about a venture partner, it's all about the expertise. If they have a deep expertise, super powerful, awesome. But if they don't, I wouldn't waste your time. They just, they're, it's going to be very challenging for them to get a deal through …”
Zach Coelius: Untrustworthy syndicate leads make founder pitches dead on arrival
“Because if you work with one of those folks, and they have a bad reputation in the industry, they can absolutely sink, sink your fundraise on the spot. Because there are people in the business who are not trustworthy, who run around with shitty deals, who gene…”
Zach Coelius: Startups need a repeatable soundbite to survive VC telephone
“So you go to the associate, and you're like, this is what our company does, and you have one sentence, and you describe it. Now imagine that associate is going to go tell the partner that, and they maybe are going to garble it and jumble it on the way, and the…”
Zach Coelius: Investor back-channeling is as important as the founder pitch
“And so you'll often find that like the back channel that happens behind the scenes where different investors and different angels and different
It spins in your cap table.
Talk to the next round investors is just as important as what you say when you're at the…”
Zach Coelius: The best portfolio companies consistently write the best investor updates
“There's this weird thing that I've seen is that my best companies always have the best investor updates and my worst companies always have the worst updates. I don't know what it is, but it always seems to work out to be true.”