Sep 15, 2022 · 35m · saastr
Successful Scaling Across Markets, From a Founder Turned VC | OMERS Ventures MP Harry Briggs
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OMERS Ventures Managing Partner Harry Briggs delivers a strategic framework on international scaling, contrasting the operational pitfalls of premature expansion with repeatable, playbook-driven playbooks from Uber and leading venture portfolio companies. He urges founders to thoroughly validate domestic product-market fit, unit economics, and organizational readiness before committing resources to foreign markets.
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Jason as informed peer 0.3 Guest teaching 0.3 Guest disagreement 0.1 Jason pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:30 Contrarian warning against international expansion
Briggs playfully challenges the audience's enthusiasm for global expansion with his foundational rule: 'don't do it' unless domestic PMF is undeniable.
Hardest push from Jason ▶ 33:08 Audience member presses on market research for unknown unknownsThe audience member challenges the practical feasibility of standard market research when entering completely unfamiliar territories like China or foreign European markets.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:50 Expanding to escape domestic problems versus true scalingBriggs explains how early international inbound orders often mask underlying product-market fit plateauing rather than solving operational growth issues.
Jason holds their own ▶ 33:30 Articulating the complexity of international unknownsThe questioning founder clearly articulates the systemic barrier of information asymmetry and unknown unknowns when attempting cross-border European or Asian expansion.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Jason as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Jason pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Case Study: The Firefly Drinks Story and Expansion Pitfalls | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Solo presentation monologue where Harry Briggs details his personal background founding Firefly Drinks and the pitfalls of accidental early international expansion. No host interaction occurs. | |
| The First Rule of Expansion and Uber's City Playbook | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Briggs presents a contrarian opening thesis that the first rule of international expansion is 'don't do it.' He contrasts early distracted expansion with Uber's methodical domestic city scaling. | |
| Assessing Readiness and Unit Economics for Scaling | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Keynote presentation outlining the core unit economic and retention benchmarks required before scaling internationally, citing examples from Uber and Paddle. | |
| Ensuring Repeatability and Operational Efficiency | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Keynote monologue breaking down repeatable growth levers and operational adaptations, drawing lessons from portfolio companies GoCardless and Plum Guide. | |
| Understanding Market Differences, Regulation, and Adaptation | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Briggs examines local market nuances and regulatory constraints using examples from Tesco's US failure, Uber's European regulatory hurdles, Revolut, and SeedLegals. | |
| Team Dynamics, Capital Strategy, and Alternative Expansion Models | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Presentation covering autonomous local teams versus central control, capital efficiency, and alternatives like Gusto's pure domestic focus. | |
| Uber's Expansion Playbook and Final Strategic Takeaways | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Keynote conclusion summarizing Uber's playbook approach, maintaining a strict hiring bar, and warning against confirmation bias when hiring international sales leadership. | |
| Audience Q&A: Researching Unfamiliar International Markets | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | An audience member asks how a startup should research entirely unfamiliar foreign markets with unknown unknowns. Briggs answers by recommending following organic inbound demand. |
Statements from this episode (16)
Briggs: Firefly Drinks' 2012 private equity sale yielded little return for founders
“And in 2012, we sold the business to private equity made some money for our investors. Sadly, not a lot for ourselves.”
Briggs: International expansion shouldn't be an escape from domestic growth problems
“So I think the question that you should be asking when you're thinking about going international is Are you expanding to escape your problems, or do you actually have something worth scaling?”
Briggs: Uber once scaled by opening a new city every three days
“At one point they were opening a new city every three days.”
Briggs: Marketplace retention cohorts should improve as the platform scales
“Ideally, particularly in marketplace businesses, cohorts should be improving as you scale.”
Briggs: Paddle's US expansion only took off after hiring a dedicated US team
“It wasn't really until they hired a dedicated US team, so they were UK based and selling globally from the UK for a long time. It wasn't until they had a team completely dedicated to the US that the US really, really started to take off.”
Briggs: MacPaw's organic growth flattered Paddle's early startup growth metrics
“They had one huge whale customer. They're called Mac Paw. And Mac Paw kept growing themselves. So it was flattering their growth numbers.”
Briggs: GoCardless accelerated scale by shifting to B2B invoice payments
“They were particularly going after companies that sold a lot of consumer direct debits. But shortly after I stepped off the board there, they figured out that actually the biggest market they could go after was B to B invoice payments. And the moment that they…”
Briggs: Plum Guide shifted to vetting homes only upon first booking
“They were only approving 10% of homes. That's hard to scale. But the pandemic actually helped them because, you know, it forced them to be way more efficient. It forced them to conserve cash and they managed to automate a lot of those tests and they changed th…”
Briggs: Firefly would have fared better focusing on UK product-market fit first
“And I think if we had really, really focused on, okay, what is our playbook in the UK to, you know, reach true product market fit and really, really figure that out, I think it would have been better.”
Briggs: Gousto reached a $1B+ valuation by focusing solely on the UK
“Gusto, again I, I've been an investor while I was an investor in a previous fund, and Gusto is the sort of more premium HelloFresh in the UK, if you like and they've become the market leader in the UK and by relentlessly focusing on executing in the UK, you kn…”
Briggs: European regional leaders often get steamrolled by global winners
“And what we have seen in Europe quite a bit is companies that became, you know, regional winners, But then the global winner came in at some point and kind of steamrolled, not completely, but, you know, eroded their market and stopped them from growing.”
Briggs: Expanding markets requires waiting for an A-player hire
“One B player in a team can lead to a lot of C players quite rapidly and making those calls early, and keeping the bar high, and only entering a market once you've found that A player, I think is probably key to their expansion.”
Briggs: The second international market is usually the hardest
“Clearly when you're expanding internationally, the second market is usually the hardest because you don't have a playbook yet. And you're going to be hit with a whole lot of surprises.”
Briggs: European startups almost always botch their first US sales hire
“You know, probably the hardest role that I see in the companies I work with is, you know, a European team hiring their first US sales director, and they always seem to get it wrong. And they probably always give that person a bit too long before they realize t…”