Jun 16, 2023 · 40m · saastr
Why The Era of Efficient Growth is Now: The State of the Market with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
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SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin examines the prolonged SaaS market downturn, explaining how founders must adapt to compressed valuation multiples, tightened enterprise procurement, and an industry-wide mandate for scaled, profitable growth.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Jason holds 100% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Jason as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 0.0 Jason pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 6:08 Audience Acknowledgment
In an entirely solo keynote presentation with no guest debate, this minor audience vocalization is the only interjection in the diarized record.
Hardest push from Jason ▶ 18:30 Pushback on Founder ExcusesJason forcefully challenges founders blaming the macroeconomy for zero growth, arguing it reflects an uncompelling product rather than market forces.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 22:15 Venture Math LessonJason instructs the audience on the arithmetic behind fund return mechanics, explaining why VC business models cannot fund sub-scale growth rates.
Jason holds their own ▶ 31:30 Sales Rep Compensation RealitiesJason counters prevailing complaints from enterprise sales teams by demonstrating historical quota-to-OTE ratios required for sustainable business unit economics.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Jason as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Jason pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SaaStr Community Vision and Core Philosophy | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | This segment is an uninterrupted keynote presentation and opening address by Jason Lemkin welcoming the SaaStr Europa audience. Because it is a solo monologue without dialogue, all host and guest interaction scores are 0. | |
| Historical Evolution of SaaS: Mainstream Growth and 2021 Euphoria | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason delivers a solo presentation reviewing the history of SaaS from 2011 through the 2021 pandemic peak. The single audience utterance is an ambient agreement marker, making this a monologue. | |
| The Market Reset: Multiple Contraction and Sales Realities | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason presents data on valuation multiple compression and sales difficulty in the post-2021 market. As a monologue keynote, interaction scores remain 0. | |
| The Era of Scaled Profitability and Radical Operating Efficiency | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason reviews case studies of HubSpot and Monday.com demonstrating rapid shifts toward operating profitability. This is delivered entirely as a solo stage presentation. | |
| Benchmarking Growth Trends and the Empathy Gap in Performance | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason walks through ChartMogul and Altimeter growth data while addressing founder expectations. As a keynote monologue, all interaction metrics are scored at 0. | |
| The Venture Capital Freeze and Funding Math Realities | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason examines venture capital slowdowns and the mathematical requirements of SaaS fund returns in an uninterrupted lecture format. | |
| Enterprise Demand Resilience and the Resurgence of CFO Scrutiny | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason analyzes Gartner enterprise IT spending forecasts and changing CFO procurement hurdles. The segment is a solo keynote lecture. | |
| Valuation Multiples and Strategic Rules for Sustainable Execution | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Jason concludes his address by outlining five strategic operating rules for SaaS founders and reviewing the late-stage IPO pipeline. It is a monologue. |
Statements from this episode (23)
Lemkin: Frothy 2020-2021 SaaS Market Conditions Are Never Coming Back
“Stop Pining for twenty-twenty-one and the late half of twenty-twenty. Those days aren't coming back.”
Lemkin: 2023 Is the First Time in 10 Years SaaS Got Harder
“This is the first time in the last 10 years That SaaS has gotten harder, ok?”
Lemkin: LinkedIn Panicked and Sold to Microsoft in 2016 Flash Crash
“It was so crazy that LinkedIn, even though they were profitable in public, panicked and sold to Microsoft.”
Lemkin: HubSpot and Box IPO'd Under $1 Billion Valuation
“When HubSpot IPO'd, it was worth eight hundred million. When Box IPO'd, it was worth nine hundred million. Public companies weren't even unicorns, ok, back then.”
Lemkin: Average Public SaaS Companies Trade at 5x to 6x Revenue
“There's a handful that are more than 10 X the snowflakes and cloud flares up spots, but the average, I think we'll see it on the next slide. I think it's about five or six X. So the average SAS company, really good ones, public ones are worth five to six times…”
Lemkin: SaaS Revenue in Tight Markets Requires Stealing Vendor Budgets
“CIOs, small businesses do not have unlimited money. There's a fixed amount, and if you disrupt something, if you do something better than Salesforce or Zoom or HubSpot or Slack or even UiPath, if you do something that is 10 times better, you will get money, bu…”
Lemkin: SaaS Growth Rates Are Down Roughly 30% Across Benchmarks
“Things are not that bad. Like things are down overall about 30%. I wrote it up on Sastr. We had data from Altimeter. We had data from ChartMogul. We had data from Andreessen all the last two weeks. Things are about A third harder. Growth is down by about a thi…”
Lemkin: UiPath Shifted From $400M Loss to Near Breakeven in One Year
“UiPath went from losing four hundred million in a year to being almost breakeven the next year.”
Lemkin: Monday.com Margins Swung From -16% to 24% Within One Year
“But then the world changed, and Monday became radically different from -16% margins to 24% in one year.”
Lemkin: SaaS Efficiency Mandate Will Be Permanent If Multiples Stay Flat
“And if we end up 24 months into this, and multiples are sort of the same, I think we are in a new, efficient world For the first time in SaaS, we will not go back.”
Lemkin: 65% Growth Is No Longer Enough to Raise Venture Capital
“If you're doubling, you can raise venture capital. If you're growing 65%, that's still pretty good growth. You can't raise money.”
Lemkin: Startups Slowing to Zero Growth Lost Product-Market Fit
“With a few exceptions, I don't have any empathy for startups that had decent growth during 2021 and have slowed to zero. Ok, I don't have any empathy. You really have no customers? Really none? No. What it really means is your product wasn't valuable enough. I…”
Lemkin: Roughly 20% of SaaS Companies Suffer No Macro Slowdown
“20% or so of SaaS companies are not impacted at all. They have no macro impacts for a lot of reasons.”
Lemkin: Carta Data Shows Venture Capital Funding Fell 80% From Peak
“I like this version from Carta that showed through Q-one, you know, you can just see the peak of venture and that it's just plummeted, right? It's just plummeted. Capital fell 80%”
Lemkin: Startups Must Reach $100M ARR In 7-10 Years For Venture Math
“You need to get to a hundred or two hundred million in ARR in seven to 10 years for venture to work, and if you're not growing at a rate that can compound
To a hundred million in that journey, you simply can't make VCs enough money for them to make money.”
Lemkin: Gartner Projects Enterprise SaaS Spend to Grow 18% Annually
“You know, SaaS is still gonna grow 18% in spend this year, and another 18% next year. People are still gonna spend almost two hundred million dollars in the U.S. Alone on SaaS, just in the enterprise, 200,000,000,230 billion next year.”
Lemkin: Discretionary VP Software Purchasing Power Without CFO Approval Is Gone
“As you can see from the Gartner data, it's not like the budgets disappeared, but those folks that could just buy your app without the CFO's approval, that's just been, that's just gone in most businesses, but it's just like it used to be. It used to be this wa…”
Lemkin: SaaS Account Executives Must Close 3x to 5x Their OTE
“It's we're back to three to five X OTE. So if a rep wants to make a 150 grand a year, us great. But if you're enterprise, you better close five times that mid market, four times SMB three times. Otherwise they're not efficient enough.”
Lemkin: Late-Stage VC Growth Rounds Are Capped at $500M Valuations
“If you're only air quotes only going to be worth two billion, how even no matter where you are, how can anyone afford to invest a higher than a five hundred million dollar valuation? Think about it. Just to make four X, even three X with some dilution risk, th…”
Lemkin: Companies Cutting Marketing Face a Pipeline Cliff by Year-End
“And I think there will be a rebound in marketing by the end of this year. Everyone that cut marketing to zero in the beginning of this year is going to have no pipeline at the end of this year. That is the looming cliff for so many. Everyone below the public c…”
Lemkin: SaaS Startups Should Spend Only 75% of New ARR Bookings
“For every dollar in new revenue you bring in, I guess that really should be ARR spend 75%. Instead of spending two times what you bring in, spend 75% of it. You'll, you'll, you'll never fail if you spend most but not all of your new bookings.”