Jun 30, 2023 · 40m · saastr
From Uncertainty to +$400M: How Braze Found Opportunity in Headwinds with Braze Co-Founder & CEO
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In this keynote address, Braze co-founder and CEO Bill Magnuson shares the strategic mental models that propelled Braze from a nascent mobile startup into a multi-billion-dollar public enterprise. He outlines how founders can build generational companies by pacing capital deployment, anticipating structural market transformations, and focusing on enduring customer value over ephemeral hype.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
Jason as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 1.6 Guest disagreement 2.0 Jason pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:10 Mocking Startups That Chase Every Shiny Trend
Magnuson sharply criticizes reactive startups that pivot on short-term hype, comparing them to eight-year-olds aimlessly swarming a soccer ball instead of executing disciplined long-term strategy.
Hardest push from Jason ▶ 4:35 Rebuttal to Waiting Out Down MarketsMagnuson forcefully counters the passive mindset of waiting out market downturns, arguing that winning founders proactively build for future market conditions rather than remaining stagnant.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 24:35 Bridgewater Mental Model on Supply Curves and Premature ScalingMagnuson provides a masterclass on capital pacing using hedge fund performance models, showing how pushing money into inelastic early markets causes premature company death.
Jason holds their own ▶ 20:10 Demonstrating T2D3 Execution Under Neeraj AgarwalMagnuson connects his talk directly to host Jason Lemkin's earlier session on SaaS scaling frameworks, detailing exactly how Braze realized the triple-triple-double-double-double trajectory.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Jason as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Jason pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Humble Beginnings and Founding Braze for Developers | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | In this solo keynote opening, Bill Magnuson shares the founding story of Braze (formerly Appboy), noting that they initially built for developers because mobile apps had no business models or marketers in 2011. As a monologue presentation, host-side metrics are zero. | |
| Braze's Global Footprint and Platform Scale Today | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | Magnuson discusses Braze's international expansion and explains why they deliberately avoided mobile gaming in the early days to pursue diversified enterprise verticals, contrary to standard venture-backed behavior. | |
| Fast Tech Adoption Versus Slow Structural Evolution | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | Magnuson contrasts rapid consumer technology adoption speeds with the sluggish pace of human and structural evolution, citing examples like enterprise contracts and slow regulatory adjustments. | |
| Separating Ephemeral Hype from Enduring Human Behaviors | 0 | 2 | 3 | 0 | Magnuson critiques founders chasing ephemeral trends, comparing them to children chasing a soccer ball, and uses historical precedents like the 1918 flu pandemic to demonstrate how human behavioral baselines endure. | |
| Braze's Two-Stage Market Conviction: Mobile Natives to Enterprise | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | Magnuson outlines Braze's two-stage thesis: starting with mobile natives before waiting patiently for traditional enterprises to adapt org structures and budgets to mobile. | |
| The Evolution of Customer Engagement and Modern Marketers | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | Magnuson argues that traditional spray-and-pray email tactics from legacy marketing clouds are obsolete, detailing how the modern marketer persona evolved to become technical, data-literate, and agile. | |
| Vanity Metrics Versus Enduring Value Drivers in SaaS | 0 | 2 | 3 | 0 | Magnuson deconstructs popular VC metrics, pointing out that smartphone shipments and total app store app counts are vanity metrics compared to the total active install base and monetizeable customer spend. | |
| Startup Pacing and Managing Inelastic Supply Curves | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | Magnuson shares a mental model from Bridgewater on capital pacing, explaining how early-stage startups that overspend into inelastic supply curves burn out like failed hedge funds. | |
| Expanding from Tech Adopters to Majority Enterprise Buyers | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | Magnuson explains how Braze had to rethink its software when expanding from tech-native startups to legacy enterprises that lack in-house engineering and rely on systems integrators. | |
| Commoditizing Inputs and Vertically Integrating the Core Value Chain | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | Magnuson references Joel Spolsky's law of commoditizing complements, detailing Braze's strategic choice to abstract data ingestion and messaging delivery while vertically integrating core orchestration. | |
| Core Strategic Principles and Concluding Summary | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | Magnuson concludes with a concise recap of the five core strategic lessons for founders navigating market headwinds and building enduring enterprise software companies. |
Statements from this episode (12)
Magnuson: WeWork ran out of money outfitting its third office in 2011
“Fun fact, WeWork has run out of money more than once. Ah, the first time was actually when they were outfitting that office space, and they left us with bare concrete floors, ah, in this, like, nice little, ah, oven box, ah, up on the top floor.”
Magnuson: Braze had more 2012 beta signups than total 2023 customers
“Back in 2012 when we launched our beta, we had more developers sign up for the, we were called Appboy at the time, for the Appboy beta than we even have customers today. 12 years later, having gone public and now worth, you know, billions of dollars.”
Magnuson: About 43% of Braze's Revenue Comes From Outside the US
“Today about 43% of our revenue comes from outside of the United States.”
Magnuson: Braze Reaches Nearly 5B MAUs and Sent 2T Messages in 2022
“Today, that customer base, the combined user bases of all of our customers are almost five billion monthly active users. We sent over two trillion messages last year. We processed over 11 trillion data points in order to understand when to send those messages,…”
Magnuson: Venture capital should fund pre-market development, not unprofitable growth
“When I look at the purpose of venture capital, it's not to, you know, burn a dollar five in order to grow a dollar of revenue. It's to give you that opportunity to already be building for the market while it is still developing.”
Magnuson: Smartphones are more widely deployed than clean water and electricity
“When we look at smartphones, interestingly enough, it's the most widely deployed technology ever, even more so than clean water and electricity before it.”
Magnuson: E-Commerce Has Returned to Pre-Pandemic Growth Path
“Ecom pulled forward tremendously, and now it's revisited its prior growth path almost exactly.”
Magnuson: Braze got one term sheet per early round and floated loans
“Through that time period we raised our, you know, our seed round, our series A, our series B. In each one of those rounds, we only got one term sheet. And we actually ran out of money twice and had to float, you know, a small loan in order to make payroll.”
Magnuson: Batch email marketing via Salesforce Marketing Cloud would stop working
“Which meant that, you know, if you were still just kind of blasting out emails to everyone, as people had been doing with the likes of a, you know, what is now called Salesforce Marketing Cloud, that, that would eventually just stop working.”
Magnuson: Enduring enterprise software aligns with users' career paths
“The teams and the budgets and the org charts and the skill sets that people invest in and the way that they Develop their career paths, and they build their careers around your technology, are one of the most enduring aspects of, you know, really building any …”