Aug 28, 2024 · 33m · saastr
10 Cheat Codes I Learned While Scaling to $400M with Yext and Roam Founder Howard Lerman
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Serial entrepreneur Howard Lerman shares ten counterintuitive, tactical 'cheat codes' gathered from scaling Yext and Roam to hundreds of millions in revenue. He challenges standard corporate dogma and empowers founders to creatively rethink storytelling, operational cadences, go-to-market strategies, and core leadership responsibilities.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
Jason as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 4.0 Jason pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:55 Mocking standard 1-on-1 meeting doctrine
Howard forcefully derides conventional HR advice and one-on-one meetings as calendar-clogging grievance and therapy sessions.
Hardest push from Jason ▶ 0:00 Keynote monologue format without host pushbackBecause this episode is a solo conference keynote delivery by Howard Lerman, the host offers no pushback throughout.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 29:24 Hierarchy of delegation and owning PMFHoward delivers an emphatic, authoritative breakdown of what founders can delegate versus the non-negotiable imperative of personally owning product-market fit.
Jason holds their own ▶ 0:00 Solo stage keynote with no host participationAs a solo presentation format, the host does not engage or assert expertise during the session.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Jason as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Jason pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mastering Storytelling by Memorizing Lines | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | Howard presents a solo conference keynote sharing tactical advice on storytelling, drawing on John Lennon's songwriting method to argue that founders should memorize their lines. Host is not present on mic. | |
| Embracing High-Risk Live Product Demos | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | Howard encourages high-risk live product demos over canned presentations, recounting his nerve-wracking 2009 TechCrunch live demo. The host does not speak. | |
| Eliminating One-on-One Meetings to Accelerate Speed | 0 | 0 | 7 | 0 | Howard aggressively attacks conventional management practices regarding weekly one-on-one meetings, calling them calendar-clogging therapy sessions and citing Jensen Huang's flat management style. No host dialogue. | |
| Hosting Sunday Executive Calls and Timing Board Decks | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | Howard details his strategy of holding Sunday night executive planning calls and sending board decks on Saturday mornings to catch VCs while traveling. Host is absent. | |
| Weaponizing the Cap Table with Strategic Advisors | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | Howard criticizes conventional bottom-up BDR outreach and advocates weaponizing cap table equity to recruit connected top-level advisors. No host interaction. | |
| Adopting Five-Minute Meetings Inspired by Teddy Roosevelt | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | Howard outlines his adoption of Teddy Roosevelt's five-minute meeting format and notes high-performing sales reps should spend their time with customers rather than in the office. | |
| Giving Up the Board Chairman Title to Seasoned Leaders | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | Howard advises founders to relinquish the ceremonial chairman title to respected industry executives in order to secure powerful allies on the board. Host does not speak. | |
| Establishing the Delegation Hierarchy and Owning PMF | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | Howard forcefully instructs founders never to delegate product-market fit under any circumstances and encourages ignoring boilerplate venture playbooks. Host does not participate. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Lerman: Memorizing lines forces founders to simplify their pitch
“The point is, the act of memorizing your lines is one of composition, and you will find yourself continuously editing as you do it, and removing, and mainly it's subtraction. Mainly you're gonna be subtracting words you don't need, because I can almost assure …”
Howard Lerman: Presenters should let live demos break for audience sympathy points
“I strongly recommend doing Live demos that could break, and frankly, sometimes you should have it break, because people like it when stuff goes wrong. They do. You get sympathy points.”
Lerman: Yext operated with 30 to 35 direct reports to the CEO
“I used to have, when I was running Yext, probably technically, 30 to 35 direct reports, but realistically, everybody reported to me, if that makes any sense.”
Howard Lerman: Scheduled one-on-one meetings slow companies down by delaying urgent issues
“People, if they need to talk to you, they queue up the stuff they need to talk to you about until the meeting. So if I have a meeting with Kyle, with Kevin, on Thursday at two o'clock, let's say I need to meet him, and he's got something really urgent to tell …”
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang holds zero one-on-one meetings, says Howard Lerman
“So, Jensen, now, today, famously, has no one-on-one meetings. He barely has any meetings at all.”
Howard Lerman: The best time to send board decks is Saturday morning
“The best time to send a board deck is Saturday morning, the week before your board meeting”
Howard Lerman: Startup founders should hold 8 PM Sunday night planning calls
“The frickin' founders who are starting the company and trying to do something impossible and move a rock up a mountain ought to be available at eight p.m. Sunday night for an hour and a half to plan out the week.”
Lerman: Replace outbound SDRs with equity-backed advisors for direct executive introductions
“Instead of investing heavily in BDRs and SDRs and outbound to generate demand, Use your stock options to bring on advisors who can make a fast introduction to the top people immediately and get you in. No BDRs can be able to get a meeting with the CEO of some …”
Howard Lerman: Startups should vest advisor equity over one year, not four
“Make the stock only best over up to one year. Don't make it four years. When you hire employees, you make it, it's four years, because most advisors lose their, you just use up all their connections in six months.”
Lerman: Roam has 93 founders on its cap table
“At Rome, my new company, we have 93 amazing founders in our cap table, and I'm a Phone call away, if you will, from any founder we want, because that's our target audience.”
Howard Lerman: Intuit considered acquiring Yext ten to twelve years ago
“One time Intuit thought about buying Yext. So this was 1012 years ago, way before we were public.”
Lerman: Board chair is a purely ceremonial title with no power
“The chair of the board has no power. It's purely ceremonial. It's just a title. They call the meeting to order. That's all they do.”
Howard Lerman: Founders must never delegate product-market fit to anyone else
“The second to last thing you should delegate is recruiting, and then never, over your dead body, over your corpse, delegate product market fit. You as a found, and I'm speaking to the founders here, your job as a founder is always to completely own and dominat…”