Sep 23, 2025 · 53m · saastr

SaaStr's Top 10+ AI Agents: AI SDR, AI BDR, AI RevOps + More: The How, The Who, The Why

Amelia LeRutte · 26m spoken Jason Lemkin · 20m spoken
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Jason Lemkin and Amelia outline SaaStr's operational journey deploying roughly 20 AI agents across outbound sales, inbound qualification, RevOps, and custom internal workflows. They provide practical playbooks for automating go-to-market execution, eliminating customer friction, and achieving eight-figure revenue leverage with a single-digit team headcount.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Jason holds 43.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Jason as informed peer 6.1 Guest teaching 3.5 Guest disagreement 0.1 Jason pushing back 0.3
05100:0015:0030:0045:001:11–5:22 · Jason as informed peer 0/10 Event Announcement: SaaStr AI London Conference Introductory monologue, sponsor ad read, and SaaStr London event promo. No substantive guest interaction takes place.5:23–10:33 · Jason as informed peer 7/10 Instant Response vs. 24-Hour Delays: Delphi Example Jason sets the stage with SaaStr's AI adoption timeline, contrasting instant Delphi AI responses with 24-hour response times.10:35–17:01 · Jason as informed peer 6/10 Deep Dive: Outbound AI SDR with Artisan Amelia breaks down Artisan's warm outbound architecture and mailbox warmup constraints, while Jason drills into data source integration.17:01–22:23 · Jason as informed peer 6/10 Artisan Backend Demo: Workflow, Queues, and Prompt Tuning Amelia demonstrates Artisan's live backend queue, response metrics, and prompt tuning. Jason queries the response rates and automated ingestion limits.22:31–25:25 · Jason as informed peer 8/10 Selecting AI Vendors and Eliminating Friction in Sales Jason shares strategic advice on vendor onboarding, warning founders to immediately drop vendors whose sales reps fight prospects.25:25–32:30 · Jason as informed peer 5/10 Inbound AI BDR: Implementing Qualified to Replace Static Forms Amelia explains why Delphi failed at inbound sales qualification and details how Qualified (Piper) replaces static forms with CRM-connected intelligence.32:34–39:00 · Jason as informed peer 7/10 Qualified Use Cases: Automated Bookings, Group Sales, and High Conversion Amelia explains automated meeting booking, discount triggers, and group ticket handling, while Jason underscores the power of tracking repeat site visitors.39:05–42:47 · Jason as informed peer 7/10 Live Backend Demo: Qualified Real-Time Monitoring and Rep Pouncing Amelia showcases the real-time 'pounce' feature in Qualified for high-ASP sponsorship leads, followed by Jason summarizing the meta-learnings on AI deployment.42:48–45:53 · Jason as informed peer 6/10 Dynamic Sales Collateral Generation with Gamma Amelia and Jason detail how Gamma dynamically turns 100-page static sponsorship prospectuses into custom 10-minute decks that buyers pass internally.45:56–48:42 · Jason as informed peer 5/10 AI RevOps: Automating Salesforce and Call Insights with Momentum and Attention Amelia details RevOps automation with Momentum and Attention, capturing call objections, contact creation, and stage movements in Salesforce automatically.48:43–51:51 · Jason as informed peer 8/10 Vibe Coding Custom AI: Replacing Agencies with Replit Speaker Review Agent Jason explains vibe coding a Replit agent to replace a $15k/month agency tasked with reviewing thousands of speaker submissions.51:53–53:36 · Jason as informed peer 8/10 Custom AI Portfolio and the 'Buy Before Build' Rule Jason outlines their custom app portfolio and emphasizes the strict rule of buying off-the-shelf software before attempting to build custom agents.1:11–5:22 · Guest teaching 0/10 Event Announcement: SaaStr AI London Conference Introductory monologue, sponsor ad read, and SaaStr London event promo. No substantive guest interaction takes place.5:23–10:33 · Guest teaching 0/10 Instant Response vs. 24-Hour Delays: Delphi Example Jason sets the stage with SaaStr's AI adoption timeline, contrasting instant Delphi AI responses with 24-hour response times.10:35–17:01 · Guest teaching 6/10 Deep Dive: Outbound AI SDR with Artisan Amelia breaks down Artisan's warm outbound architecture and mailbox warmup constraints, while Jason drills into data source integration.17:01–22:23 · Guest teaching 5/10 Artisan Backend Demo: Workflow, Queues, and Prompt Tuning Amelia demonstrates Artisan's live backend queue, response metrics, and prompt tuning. Jason queries the response rates and automated ingestion limits.22:31–25:25 · Guest teaching 1/10 Selecting AI Vendors and Eliminating Friction in Sales Jason shares strategic advice on vendor onboarding, warning founders to immediately drop vendors whose sales reps fight prospects.25:25–32:30 · Guest teaching 7/10 Inbound AI BDR: Implementing Qualified to Replace Static Forms Amelia explains why Delphi failed at inbound sales qualification and details how Qualified (Piper) replaces static forms with CRM-connected intelligence.32:34–39:00 · Guest teaching 6/10 Qualified Use Cases: Automated Bookings, Group Sales, and High Conversion Amelia explains automated meeting booking, discount triggers, and group ticket handling, while Jason underscores the power of tracking repeat site visitors.39:05–42:47 · Guest teaching 5/10 Live Backend Demo: Qualified Real-Time Monitoring and Rep Pouncing Amelia showcases the real-time 'pounce' feature in Qualified for high-ASP sponsorship leads, followed by Jason summarizing the meta-learnings on AI deployment.42:48–45:53 · Guest teaching 5/10 Dynamic Sales Collateral Generation with Gamma Amelia and Jason detail how Gamma dynamically turns 100-page static sponsorship prospectuses into custom 10-minute decks that buyers pass internally.45:56–48:42 · Guest teaching 7/10 AI RevOps: Automating Salesforce and Call Insights with Momentum and Attention Amelia details RevOps automation with Momentum and Attention, capturing call objections, contact creation, and stage movements in Salesforce automatically.48:43–51:51 · Guest teaching 0/10 Vibe Coding Custom AI: Replacing Agencies with Replit Speaker Review Agent Jason explains vibe coding a Replit agent to replace a $15k/month agency tasked with reviewing thousands of speaker submissions.51:53–53:36 · Guest teaching 0/10 Custom AI Portfolio and the 'Buy Before Build' Rule Jason outlines their custom app portfolio and emphasizes the strict rule of buying off-the-shelf software before attempting to build custom agents.1:11–5:22 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Event Announcement: SaaStr AI London Conference Introductory monologue, sponsor ad read, and SaaStr London event promo. No substantive guest interaction takes place.5:23–10:33 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Instant Response vs. 24-Hour Delays: Delphi Example Jason sets the stage with SaaStr's AI adoption timeline, contrasting instant Delphi AI responses with 24-hour response times.10:35–17:01 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Deep Dive: Outbound AI SDR with Artisan Amelia breaks down Artisan's warm outbound architecture and mailbox warmup constraints, while Jason drills into data source integration.17:01–22:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Artisan Backend Demo: Workflow, Queues, and Prompt Tuning Amelia demonstrates Artisan's live backend queue, response metrics, and prompt tuning. Jason queries the response rates and automated ingestion limits.22:31–25:25 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Selecting AI Vendors and Eliminating Friction in Sales Jason shares strategic advice on vendor onboarding, warning founders to immediately drop vendors whose sales reps fight prospects.25:25–32:30 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Inbound AI BDR: Implementing Qualified to Replace Static Forms Amelia explains why Delphi failed at inbound sales qualification and details how Qualified (Piper) replaces static forms with CRM-connected intelligence.32:34–39:00 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Qualified Use Cases: Automated Bookings, Group Sales, and High Conversion Amelia explains automated meeting booking, discount triggers, and group ticket handling, while Jason underscores the power of tracking repeat site visitors.39:05–42:47 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Live Backend Demo: Qualified Real-Time Monitoring and Rep Pouncing Amelia showcases the real-time 'pounce' feature in Qualified for high-ASP sponsorship leads, followed by Jason summarizing the meta-learnings on AI deployment.42:48–45:53 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Dynamic Sales Collateral Generation with Gamma Amelia and Jason detail how Gamma dynamically turns 100-page static sponsorship prospectuses into custom 10-minute decks that buyers pass internally.45:56–48:42 · Guest disagreement 0/10 AI RevOps: Automating Salesforce and Call Insights with Momentum and Attention Amelia details RevOps automation with Momentum and Attention, capturing call objections, contact creation, and stage movements in Salesforce automatically.48:43–51:51 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Vibe Coding Custom AI: Replacing Agencies with Replit Speaker Review Agent Jason explains vibe coding a Replit agent to replace a $15k/month agency tasked with reviewing thousands of speaker submissions.51:53–53:36 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Custom AI Portfolio and the 'Buy Before Build' Rule Jason outlines their custom app portfolio and emphasizes the strict rule of buying off-the-shelf software before attempting to build custom agents.1:11–5:22 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Event Announcement: SaaStr AI London Conference Introductory monologue, sponsor ad read, and SaaStr London event promo. No substantive guest interaction takes place.5:23–10:33 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Instant Response vs. 24-Hour Delays: Delphi Example Jason sets the stage with SaaStr's AI adoption timeline, contrasting instant Delphi AI responses with 24-hour response times.10:35–17:01 · Jason pushing back 1/10 Deep Dive: Outbound AI SDR with Artisan Amelia breaks down Artisan's warm outbound architecture and mailbox warmup constraints, while Jason drills into data source integration.17:01–22:23 · Jason pushing back 1/10 Artisan Backend Demo: Workflow, Queues, and Prompt Tuning Amelia demonstrates Artisan's live backend queue, response metrics, and prompt tuning. Jason queries the response rates and automated ingestion limits.22:31–25:25 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Selecting AI Vendors and Eliminating Friction in Sales Jason shares strategic advice on vendor onboarding, warning founders to immediately drop vendors whose sales reps fight prospects.25:25–32:30 · Jason pushing back 1/10 Inbound AI BDR: Implementing Qualified to Replace Static Forms Amelia explains why Delphi failed at inbound sales qualification and details how Qualified (Piper) replaces static forms with CRM-connected intelligence.32:34–39:00 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Qualified Use Cases: Automated Bookings, Group Sales, and High Conversion Amelia explains automated meeting booking, discount triggers, and group ticket handling, while Jason underscores the power of tracking repeat site visitors.39:05–42:47 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Live Backend Demo: Qualified Real-Time Monitoring and Rep Pouncing Amelia showcases the real-time 'pounce' feature in Qualified for high-ASP sponsorship leads, followed by Jason summarizing the meta-learnings on AI deployment.42:48–45:53 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Dynamic Sales Collateral Generation with Gamma Amelia and Jason detail how Gamma dynamically turns 100-page static sponsorship prospectuses into custom 10-minute decks that buyers pass internally.45:56–48:42 · Jason pushing back 0/10 AI RevOps: Automating Salesforce and Call Insights with Momentum and Attention Amelia details RevOps automation with Momentum and Attention, capturing call objections, contact creation, and stage movements in Salesforce automatically.48:43–51:51 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Vibe Coding Custom AI: Replacing Agencies with Replit Speaker Review Agent Jason explains vibe coding a Replit agent to replace a $15k/month agency tasked with reviewing thousands of speaker submissions.51:53–53:36 · Jason pushing back 0/10 Custom AI Portfolio and the 'Buy Before Build' Rule Jason outlines their custom app portfolio and emphasizes the strict rule of buying off-the-shelf software before attempting to build custom agents.

speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Jason 99.6% · guest 0.4%0:00 · Jason 99.6% · guest 0.4%3:00 · Jason 100% · guest 0%3:00 · Jason 100% · guest 0%6:00 · Jason 99.9% · guest 0.1%6:00 · Jason 99.9% · guest 0.1%9:00 · Jason 52% · guest 48%9:00 · Jason 52% · guest 48%12:00 · Jason 14.4% · guest 85.6%12:00 · Jason 14.4% · guest 85.6%15:00 · Jason 22.1% · guest 77.9%15:00 · Jason 22.1% · guest 77.9%18:00 · Jason 20.4% · guest 79.6%18:00 · Jason 20.4% · guest 79.6%21:00 · Jason 53.5% · guest 46.5%21:00 · Jason 53.5% · guest 46.5%24:00 · Jason 34.2% · guest 65.8%24:00 · Jason 34.2% · guest 65.8%27:00 · Jason 0% · guest 100%27:00 · Jason 0% · guest 100%30:00 · Jason 7.5% · guest 92.5%30:00 · Jason 7.5% · guest 92.5%33:00 · Jason 0% · guest 100%33:00 · Jason 0% · guest 100%36:00 · Jason 30.3% · guest 69.7%36:00 · Jason 30.3% · guest 69.7%39:00 · Jason 38.5% · guest 61.5%39:00 · Jason 38.5% · guest 61.5%42:00 · Jason 35.4% · guest 64.6%42:00 · Jason 35.4% · guest 64.6%45:00 · Jason 0% · guest 100%45:00 · Jason 0% · guest 100%48:00 · Jason 77.7% · guest 22.3%48:00 · Jason 77.7% · guest 22.3%51:00 · Jason 100% · guest 0%51:00 · Jason 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 31:40 Amelia gently corrects ingestion frequency assumption

Amelia pushes back on Jason's assumption of daily syncs, clarifying that weekly sync is sufficient and less overwhelming for their workflow.

Hardest push from Jason ▶ 20:05 Jason challenges automated ingestion capabilities

Jason presses on whether Artisan natively pulls CRM data automatically like Delphi does or still requires manual CSV engineering.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:00 Amelia educates on technical SDR prerequisites

Amelia educates listeners and the host on mailbox warmup requirements, domain protection, and CSV ingestion timelines for AI SDR platforms.

Jason holds their own ▶ 24:38 Jason lays down the law on vendor sales friction

Jason forcefully demonstrates his go-to-market expertise by diagnosing why buyers reject vendors whose sales reps argue with prospects.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicJason as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementJason pushing backWhy
Event Announcement: SaaStr AI London Conference 0000 Introductory monologue, sponsor ad read, and SaaStr London event promo. No substantive guest interaction takes place.
Instant Response vs. 24-Hour Delays: Delphi Example 7000 Jason sets the stage with SaaStr's AI adoption timeline, contrasting instant Delphi AI responses with 24-hour response times.
Deep Dive: Outbound AI SDR with Artisan 6601 Amelia breaks down Artisan's warm outbound architecture and mailbox warmup constraints, while Jason drills into data source integration.
Artisan Backend Demo: Workflow, Queues, and Prompt Tuning 6501 Amelia demonstrates Artisan's live backend queue, response metrics, and prompt tuning. Jason queries the response rates and automated ingestion limits.
Selecting AI Vendors and Eliminating Friction in Sales 8100 Jason shares strategic advice on vendor onboarding, warning founders to immediately drop vendors whose sales reps fight prospects.
Inbound AI BDR: Implementing Qualified to Replace Static Forms 5711 Amelia explains why Delphi failed at inbound sales qualification and details how Qualified (Piper) replaces static forms with CRM-connected intelligence.
Qualified Use Cases: Automated Bookings, Group Sales, and High Conversion 7600 Amelia explains automated meeting booking, discount triggers, and group ticket handling, while Jason underscores the power of tracking repeat site visitors.
Live Backend Demo: Qualified Real-Time Monitoring and Rep Pouncing 7500 Amelia showcases the real-time 'pounce' feature in Qualified for high-ASP sponsorship leads, followed by Jason summarizing the meta-learnings on AI deployment.
Dynamic Sales Collateral Generation with Gamma 6500 Amelia and Jason detail how Gamma dynamically turns 100-page static sponsorship prospectuses into custom 10-minute decks that buyers pass internally.
AI RevOps: Automating Salesforce and Call Insights with Momentum and Attention 5700 Amelia details RevOps automation with Momentum and Attention, capturing call objections, contact creation, and stage movements in Salesforce automatically.
Vibe Coding Custom AI: Replacing Agencies with Replit Speaker Review Agent 8000 Jason explains vibe coding a Replit agent to replace a $15k/month agency tasked with reviewing thousands of speaker submissions.
Custom AI Portfolio and the 'Buy Before Build' Rule 8000 Jason outlines their custom app portfolio and emphasizes the strict rule of buying off-the-shelf software before attempting to build custom agents.

Statements from this episode (22)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: SaaStr gets top results among all Artisan and Qualified customers
“On two of the ones we use artisan for outbound and qualified for inbound of all their customers, this is the most important thing. We're the number one vendor. Number one results.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 3:06
Insight
Lemkin: AI agents are not 'set and forget' in 2025
“There's no set and forget, no matter what anybody tells you in 20, 25, maybe in 20, 26. But there's no set and forget.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 3:24
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: SaaStr's Delphi AI agent has conducted over 100,000 conversations
“We use an app called Delphi to do an AI agent on Sastr. We've done over a 100,000 conversations.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 3:47
Opinion
Lemkin: No excuse for lacking instant AI customer interactions in 2025
“There's no excuse to not have extremely high quality customer interactions instantly through AI in twenty-twenty-five.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 6:14
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: SaaStr generates eight figures in revenue with single-digit headcount
“You know, our organization is tiny, but you know, Sasser does do eight figures in revenue with a tiny team. So it's interesting to track us because we have a single digit amount of headcount doing eight figures of revenue.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 6:44
Insight
Lemkin: B2B companies should buy off-the-shelf software rather than build custom AI
“The main learning is only do this if you can't buy it from 99% of you. Like it's cool, but we did this for content review and other things, and we'll show you where there is no off the shelf app, but don't roll your own. Buy, buy, don't build, right? Use for B…”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 8:43
Insight
Lemkin: AI agent success depends on daily deep training, not vendor choice
“None of these names are as important as putting in the reps and the work. And Amelia will show you the actual date in a second. These are all great apps. We stand behind them. We recommend them for sure. But you could pick another two. The most important thing…”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 9:10
Disclosure
Lerutte: SaaStr's AI SDR sent 15,000 messages in 100 days
“So in the last hundred days, It's done about 15,000 messages.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 11:26
Assertion Supported
Lerutte: Every AI SDR platform requires two weeks for domain warmup
“So every AISDR platform I talk to needs this two week warm up. So that's part of it. It's going to spend time just warming up those domains and mailboxes for you.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 13:52
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lerutte: Artisan CEO says average platform response rate is 2% to 4%
“Five percent, you know, Jasper and Arzen, who's the CEO, has said like, average is like two to four.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 18:36
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Lerutte: Artisan plans to automate campaign pitch ingestion by year-end
“I do know Jasper from artisan says that's coming by end of year, but right now you just put it in yourself, you know, pick the best pain points, improve points.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 21:24
Insight
Lemkin: Choose AI vendors based on onboarding confidence, not best demo
“I would almost pick that vendor. The one that you have the most confidence you can onboard on, not the smooth, smoothest deck or sales process or best demo.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 23:59
Disclosure
Lemkin: SaaStr passed on two leading vendors due to combative sales reps
“And I can tell you there's at least two leading vendors that we said no to, not because the software is not good enough, but because the sales team fought us, they didn't know the product.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 24:48
Disclosure
Lerutte: Most users who query Jason Lemkin's Delphi AI become repeat users
“When we looked at the data, most people come back to it. So they'll actually ask Jason's AI a question.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 26:03
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lerutte: SaaStr's average sponsorship selling price is approximately $85,000
“Our ASP for tickets, yes, it's a couple hundred bucks for London, slightly more for South for annual, but our ASP for sponsorships is probably 85 K.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 39:20
Insight
Lemkin: Real-time 90% AI answers beat waiting a day for humans
“It's so much better to get back to someone with a 90% perfect answer in real time than any brutal other process. There's just no excuse.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 42:14
Disclosure
Lemkin: SaaStr runs 20 AI agents, with 11 core tools
“So my point is, listen, we started with one and now we have 20, right? And 11 core ones.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 42:23
Insight
Lerutte: Tailored sales decks save buyers from creating internal pitch decks
“Send them a either pre or post sale, highly customized deck. They can share it around. Like a lot of the times we do these decks now and send to folks, they, the number one response I surprisingly get is like, oh, I was going to have to actually do that myself…”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 44:29
Disclosure
Lerutte: SaaStr had almost no Salesforce call notes before implementing AI
“We didn't have any call notes in our Salesforce prior to this. Like we just had like loose information. Like if there was a close one deal, it was in Salesforce. Otherwise it was pretty much not in there, which means it did not exist.”
Amelia Lerutte Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 48:00
Disclosure
Lemkin: SaaStr paid an agency $15,000 monthly to review speaker submissions
“And so what we did until through last year was we hired an agency. They worked for three years. We paid them about 15,000 dollars a month or more. And part of their job was to review all these inbounds”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 49:58
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: SaaStr's AI valuation calculator has processed 230,000 valuations
“We've had 230,000 valuation calculations where you can value a startup.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 52:15
Insight
Lemkin: Vibe-coding cannot replace complex SaaS platforms like Salesforce
“There's no way you're going to build an artisan, a Salesforce, a gamma. You could build the little bits of it. I mean, there's just no way there's too many man hours”
Jason Lemkin Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 53:09
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