fine-tuning

also referred to as: fine tuning

9 statements across 7 episodes · 4 bullish · 3 bearish · 7 people on the record · first statement May 4, 2023 by Kelvin Guu · across every show →

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May 4, 2023 bullish
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Guu: LLM Providers Will Maximize Prompting Capabilities to Ensure Ease of Use
“So I think there's a strong incentive to make that happen. So the folks who are providing large language models, they want to make their approaches as easy to use as a possible. And so anything that can go into prompting, it seems to me that people will try to…”
Kelvin Guu May 4, 2023 ▶ 31:00 No Priors Ep. 15 | With Kelvin Guu, Staff Research Scientist, Google Brain
May 18, 2023 positive
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Singhal: Fine-tuning outperforms prompt tuning when providing over 100 examples
“If you have three to five examples, let's say, then I would prompt it. If you have maybe 10 or 50 examples, it would either be prompt tuning or fine tuning. I think generally in that realm, prompt tuning and fine tuning perform similarly, and I would prefer pr…”
Karan Singhal May 18, 2023 ▶ 11:12 No Priors Ep. 17 | With Karan Singhal
Jan 18, 2024 bullish
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Beyang Liu: RAG remains necessary for context even with fine-tuned models
“I think you're still going to want to do RAG anyways. Like, even if you have fine tuned models in the mix, RAG is still sort of this, like, last mile data or context.”
Beyang Liu Jan 18, 2024 ▶ 32:35 No Priors Ep. 47 | With Sourcegraph CTO Beyang Liu
Jan 18, 2024 neutral
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Liu: Fine-tuning medium models can harm their in-context learning ability
“And if you fine-tune a medium-sized-ish model, sometimes it loses the ability to do effective in context learning, because I think the intuition is, it's devoting more, more of its parameter space to, kind of, like, memorizing the training set so it can do bet…”
Beyang Liu Jan 18, 2024 ▶ 35:00 No Priors Ep. 47 | With Sourcegraph CTO Beyang Liu
Mar 28, 2024 neutral
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Chase: Developers only implement model fine-tuning after reaching critical scale
“We see people experimenting with it. I think the only real place where they're doing it is when they've reached like really critical scale which I still don't think is that many applications to date.”
Harrison Chase Mar 28, 2024 ▶ 20:24 No Priors Ep. 57 | With LangChain CEO and Co-Founder Harrison Chase
Jun 6, 2024 positive
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Ma: Proprietary Data Fine-Tuning Adds 10-20% Retrieval Accuracy
“So we fine tune on the proprietary data of a particular company, and we can see 10 to 20% improvement on top of the domain specific in fine tuning as well.”
Tengyu Ma Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 27:19 No Priors Ep. 67 | With Voyage AI Co-Founder and CEO
Jun 6, 2024 negative
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Ma: Fine-Tuning Often Fails Due to Data Demands and Hallucinations
“Fine tuning in many cases doesn't work because you need a lot of data to see the results and there are still hallucinations even after fine tuning.”
Tengyu Ma Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 12:06 No Priors Ep. 67 | With Voyage AI Co-Founder and CEO
Oct 8, 2024 bearish
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Goyal: Nearly all Braintrust customers have abandoned fine-tuned models
“Almost if not all of our customers have moved off of fine-tuned models onto instruction-tuned models and are seeing really good performance.”
Ankur Goyal Oct 8, 2024 ▶ 7:30 No Priors Ep. 85 | CEO of Braintrust Ankur Goyal
Nov 21, 2024 bearish
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Fine-Tuning Open Source Models Lacks Levers of Full Vertical Training
“Taking those models and trying to fine tune them It's just, it's not as effective as building it yourself and you have much fewer levers to pull than if you actually have access to the data and you can change the data that goes into that process.”
Aidan Gomez Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 24:40 No Priors Ep. 91 | With Cohere Co-Founder and CEO Aidan Gomez
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