Dheeraj Pandey
Co-founder & CEO, DevRev · 1 appearance on the record.
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Dheeraj Pandey co-founded the enterprise cloud computing company Nutanix in 2009, serving as CEO for over a decade and leading it through a 2016 Nasdaq IPO. In 2020, he stepped down from Nutanix to co-found DevRev, an AI-driven platform designed to connect developers directly with customers.
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Pandey: Selling Exclusively to Large Enterprises Makes Revenue Too Lumpy to IPO
“But I think it's always Smart to actually start with something smaller, whether you start with startups and go to mid-market, or they start from mid-market, go to the enterprise, and before ending up the largest enterprise, because these Larger companies, they…”
Pandey: Companies do not need separate tools for PMs, support, and devs
“So if you can unify this thing where the developers getting things in real time, and yet, you know, there is a way to put PMs and support people in the middle for more evolved companies, but that doesn't mean you need three tools. You can use security permissi…”
Pandey: Startups Should Never Build Directly For Enterprises From Day One
“Initially, you never build a company directly for the enterprise. You build up to the mid-market, And then if you have the ambition, you grow to the large enterprise. It just happened with pretty much every company.”
Pandey: Bezos and Jassy Debated Whether AWS Should Ever Hire Sales Reps
“One of the biggest things that Jeff and Andy argued about was Do we ever have reps? Now, eventually they did put reps. They put reps a little later than when Andy would have wanted because Azure was going and really winning the hearts and minds of Europe and p…”
Pandey: PLG Freemium Tenants Must Cost Under $10 Annually to Scale
“So you need to make sure that you, the sliver that you give out for tenant is Probably no more than five to 10 dollars for the whole year, because then you can live by all this stuff, and then you can go and eke out 200 bucks a year from them, as opposed to a …”
Pandey: Traditional CRM tools are sales force automation, not real CRM
“Because the CRM tools were built for salespeople. And honestly, it's not customer relationship management. It is Salesforce automation. While CRM means customer relationship management, and that includes their clicks, their interests, their biases, what they d…”
Pandey: Nutanix Surrendered 30% to 35% of Revenue to Ditch Hardware
“Then we get, got rid of the hardware. So we almost gave up 30, 35% of our revenue.”
Pandey: Microservices Fragment Engineers; Single-Threaded Ownership Requires Generalists
“We have really created a, this movement around microservices and this and that, but eventually it's very bottom up way of thinking about things. And you've, you know, fragmented a lot of engineers to just think about their little thing, which is a tribe called…”
Pandey: Early PMF Requires Finding Customers Wanting One 10x Improvement
“You're negotiating with the market on less is more. Cause you know, you're young, you're early, they would like to have everything and the kitchen sink in your product. And you are trying to find innovators and early adopters. Who are not looking for everythin…”
Pandey: Rapid Iteration Created a Dopamine Loop with Nutanix Customers
“We were always, you know, very, very high velocity with our customers, and I think it created this dopamine effect with them as well, because they're like, oh, they're coming back, and even though they're not perfect, you know, they're really, Agile.”
Pandey: Early Enterprise Sales Rely on Contrarian Early Adopter Friends
“And the first 10 customers, I think some of it was, you know, a lot of begging and a lot of ruffling and relationships and network. And the early on stuff is about friends, you know, can you find friends who are willing to make a bet on you? And I think finall…”
Pandey: SaaS Pricing Will Mirror B2C by Charging Creators, Not Readers
“So there are many things, many experiences in the world of SaaS that will actually look like that. And there's some great companies in the world of PLG today where you don't charge everybody. You don't have to get greedy upfront, where maybe the people who are…”
Pandey: Startups tackling large problems need bite-sized, high-dopamine initial use cases
“Even if you're solving a very large problem, find a use case that is easy to get dopamine on, and that is what becomes viral. Because once you build that little trust, because remember, trust is only built a bite-sized at a time, and you cannot build, you know…”
Pandey: DevRev deliberately withholds many internal features from customer marketing
“So there are many things in DevREV that we do within the company, but we're never going to expose and market it to the end users because it's like, We have the curse of knowledge.”
Pandey: Product-Led Growth Does Not Eliminate Enterprise Sales Reps
“PLG doesn't Obviate the need for enterprise rights, because eventually you have to box it into the budget and deal with procurement and all that.”
Pandey: Snowflake and MongoDB Enterprise Reps Merely Harvest Warm PLG Accounts
“Snowflake and MongoDB, for example, in many ways are also PLG companies, even though they're enterprise reps, because the reps go and knock at the doors of companies that have already invested some. So it's a warm seat as opposed to a cold seat where you like …”
Pandey: Product-led growth shifts sales focus to middle-of-funnel active users
“PLT is really shifting things to the middle of the funnel, including for salespeople. And I think it's going to be more efficient because you're letting leads come in, have them sign up with no questions asked, no need to ask for money upfront, hook them into …”
Pandey: Six-figure software deals require human sales and POCs
“Nobody's going to give you a 100,000 dollars in one lump sum, unless there's a human to human conversation, a six month proof of concept and so on.”
Pandey: Nutanix Spent $1B Annually on Sales to Reach $1.6B Revenue
“Actually, you know, I tell you what, to be honest, Nutanix was all SLG. You know, we were spending a billion dollars a year to go get a 1,000,000,006 and so on.”
Pandey: B2C companies build their own CRM rather than buying tools
“If you look at B to C companies today, they don't buy CRM tools, they build CRM, you know, and that's because the end user database doesn't exist.”
Pandey: Companies cannot sell developers CRM without speaking their native language
“We can't be sitting here and saying, you have DevCRM, DevCRM. They're like, what are you talking about? I don't deal with CRM. That's someone else's job. So we have to walk over to where they are, you know, talk their language, you know, make sure we pass the …”
Pandey: Standalone product planning tools go stale because real work happens elsewhere
“That alone, if you can just converge product managers and developers in one system so that PMs are not planning in a planning tool, the moment they come out of that offsite of planning, it's still. And then real work is happening in someplace else, whether it'…”
Pandey: Post-acquisition founder integration should be treated like customer success
“If you treat the founders and that team as a customer, Just the acquisition itself, which is like an event of sales, is not good enough. You know, once the thing settles down on the other side of the hourglass, that's customer success. You know, you have to re…”
Pandey: Nutanix originally assumed its product would run on VMware
“Our first thesis was that this product will work on top of VMware, and it was a wrong assumption because they were not ready for something as sort of demanding as our software running on top of it. Nobody had run what we were running on top of VMware.”
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Who brings them up most Vijay Rayapati 43Siddhartha Ahluwalia 8Sudheesh Nair 7Poojan Kumar 4Siddhartha (Siddharth) 1
Statements about Dheeraj Pandey, by other people (3)
Siddhartha: Most new Indian startup millionaires come from Tier-2 towns
“Most of the India's new millionaires among the youth, they have come from tier two towns. So again, coming back to the example of Sachin Bansal, Bini Bansal, Mukesh Bansal, these folks are all from tier two towns of India. If you consider folks from Bihar, the…”
Agarwal: Nutanix hit $1.6B software revenue by 2020 departure
“In 2020, when both Dheeras and I, we left the company, it was at 1.6 billion dollar in software revenue.”
Rayapati: Fewer than 20 post-1982 public enterprise SaaS firms crossed $3B ARR
“So the stat when we used to look at it in 2019 and 20 20 was around just 45 companies ever crossed a billion dollar ARR. From that 45, I think less than, you know, around less than 20 companies ever crossed a three billion dollar ARR.”
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Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Building Product That Sells Itself Ft. Dheeraj Pandey, CEO-DevRev, Co-Founder-Nutanix | Jul 4, 2022 | 55m |