Barak Lenz

CTO, AI21 Labs · 1 appearance on the record.

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Barak Lenz oversees technology and model development at AI21 Labs, where he helped spearhead the hybrid Transformer-Mamba architecture behind the Jamba model family. Before joining AI21 Labs around 2019, he worked for eight years in quantitative and algorithmic trading.

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2 predictions · 5 assertions · 2 opinions · 6 insights · 1 disclosure · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 7 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 2 are resolved, and 5 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

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Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Lenz: AI21's Jamba is the first hybrid model architecture
“Since then, we've released several models, recent model lines in called Jamba, which I think the fascinating part about it is, is the first hybrid model. It's not just attention.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 2:20 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21

Everything Barak Lenz said on Latent Space that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Lenz: Model providers should not dictate enterprise AI policies
“Right now, if you're using a model, you're taking in their own policy. Even if I want to use GPT-OSS, I've taken in a lot of different policies about what to abstain from, what's considered dangerous and not dangerous, how I should behave, etc. And I don't thi…”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 40:33 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lenz: Local smartphone AI requires hybrid models due to KV cache limits
“So if you wanted to do something local on your phone to search your images, as an example, you can't do that without a hybrid architecture or without doing drastically changes because the model plus KVCache won't fit.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 13:09 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Opinion
Lenz: Most enterprises avoid reasoning models due to high latency
“Most enterprises don't really want to use reasoning models. The latencies is too high”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 33:15 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lenz: Hybrid Transformer models are here to stay for long context
“If I had to guess hybrid models are here to stay just because the efficiency without sacrificing the performance is, is too much to give up. You know, the attention is so expensive. The quadratic cost and the linear memory cost is so much that I think for long…”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 9:13 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Insight
Lenz: Middle attention placement at 1:8 ratio optimizes hybrid models
“Putting it the first or the last performed worse than in the middle. And one to eight was good enough. You know, you might get very slight improvements with one to six, but it was marginal, maybe within the standard deviation.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 10:16 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lenz: Full attention models will decline as sequence lengths rise
“I can definitely see sequence length rising, and I can't see full attention models being as prominent as they are today. So, so, so at least they'll have less full attention layers and I hope they'll have more innovations like Mumbai.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 11:03 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lenz: No open-source infrastructure can train very large models
“And we're using our own infrastructure to train our models. There still isn't an open source infrastructure that I could say, use this to train your very, very large model.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 20:10 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Insight
Lenz: Engineers seeking online answers are not at the frontier
“And I'm looking for people that try to solve problems on their own. Because if you think you're gonna found the answers online, I think you're not in the frontier.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 21:55 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Insight
AI21 CTO: AI systems must be model-agnostic and action-oriented
“AI systems need to be model agnostic. They shouldn't care about which model that they use, and they should look at what I call actions, which is a combination of a model with a prompt and maybe a set of tools that it can use and say, what can an action do for …”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 31:46 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Insight
Lenz: RL training wastes compute on saturated or impossible examples
“Once you've trained a few hundred steps of let's say GOP, Most of your training is just wasted on example that are either too hard for you and you didn't get any success on them or too easy and everything was a success.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 37:49 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Assertion Contradicted
Lenz: AI21's Jamba is the first hybrid model architecture
“Since then, we've released several models, recent model lines in called Jamba, which I think the fascinating part about it is, is the first hybrid model. It's not just attention.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 2:20 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Assertion Partly supported
AI21 CTO: Jamba 3B uses 1:12 attention ratio to cut memory footprint
“So this is a three B dense with only two attentional layers. It's one to 12 and not one to eight, because we wanted to maximize the efficiency. It has very few attention heads, so everything is geared To have, you know, long context with very little memory.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 15:08 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Insight
Lenz: 3B models cannot be generalized and must be task-tailored
“Because again, three B models, they need to be tailored for tasks. It's not like you could squeeze whatever you wanted into them.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 15:36 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Insight
Lenz: Training foundation models mirrors developing algorithmic trading strategies
“So, so it's very similar in terms of how you interpret results. You want to treat everything as a black box. You want to establish your bounds, you know, what are you, and I've had tons of experience in algotrading, both from making money and not making money …”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 25:52 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lenz: GPT-4o is an AI orchestration system, not a raw model
“GPT-IV-O is already an AI system. It's not calling a model directly. It can do certain, you know, it can do tool calls. It can orchestrate this entire thing.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 30:09 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21
Disclosure
Lenz: AI21 will release a 3B dense Jamba model for edge devices
“And we're actually releasing new versions of our Jamba models soon, including a three B dense model. It's aimed for long context on edge devices.”
Barak Lenz Oct 11, 2025 ▶ 2:33 Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, CTO of AI21

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Building Jamba 3B: the tiny Hybrid Transformer State Space Reasoning Model - Barak Lenz, C Oct 11, 2025 34m
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