Windsurf

also referred to as: windsurf editor

includes Windsurf Cascade

39 statements across 10 episodes · 25 bullish · 4 bearish · 13 people on the record · first statement Dec 13, 2024 by Varun Mohan · said 209 times in 30 episodes since 2024 · across every show →

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brought up most by Kevin Hou (51), Shawn Wang (50), Varun Mohan (12), Anshul Ramachandran (8), Alessio Fanelli (8), Spooks (Swyx) (5), Saoud (Saud) Rizwan (3), Ronak Malde (3)

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Everything said about Windsurf, oldest first

Dec 13, 2024 positive
Disclosure
Mohan: Windsurf uses Claude for planning, proprietary models for retrieval and diffs
“No, so actually the way it works is the high-level planning that is going on in the model is actually getting done with products like the Cloud. But the extremely fast retrieval, as well as the ability to, like, take the high-level plan and actually apply it t…”
Varun Mohan Dec 13, 2024 ▶ 25:04 Windsurf: The Enterprise AI IDE
Dec 13, 2024 positive
Opinion
Ramachandran: Autonomous terminal command execution will be a huge unlock
“I mean, of course, I mean, Vern's talked about not just suggesting the terminal command, but actually executing them. Like, I think that's gonna be a huge unlock.”
Anshul Ramachandran Dec 13, 2024 ▶ 35:35 Windsurf: The Enterprise AI IDE
Dec 13, 2024 positive
Insight
Ramachandran: Tracking developer trajectory allows AI to infer intent without prompting
“If we're actually being able to understand the kind of the trajectory of what developers are doing within the editor, right, if we actually are being able to see, like, oh, the developer just went and opened up this part of the directory and tried to view it, …”
Anshul Ramachandran Dec 13, 2024 ▶ 6:39 Windsurf: The Enterprise AI IDE
Dec 13, 2024 negative
Disclosure
Mohan: Codeium uses proprietary autocomplete models due to poor frontier LLM FIM
“The things like autocomplete and super complete that run on every keystroke are entirely like our own models. And by the way, that is still because properties like FIM fill in the middle capabilities are still quite bad with the current non-existent. They're a…”
Varun Mohan Dec 13, 2024 ▶ 22:30 Windsurf: The Enterprise AI IDE
Jan 17, 2025 positive
Insight
McAteer: Use coding assistants to bootstrap structured prompts from raw brainstorms
“What I do, and I think what you should do is use other prompts to sort of bootstrap your prompts. So like I have it set up in cursor or in windsurf where I was telling Alessio before we started, you basically, I have like a prompt template in a prompts directo…”
Dan McAteer Jan 17, 2025 ▶ 28:43 OpenAI o1 isn’t a chat model (and that’s the point)
May 7, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Anthropic avoided building an IDE to target future AI model scaling
“If we want some product that has like very broad a product market fit today, we would build, you know, a cursor or a Windsurf or something like this. Like these are awesome products that so many people use every day. I use them. That's not the product that we …”
Boris Cherny May 7, 2025 ▶ 6:57 Claude Code: Anthropic's CLI Agent
Jun 25, 2025 bullish
Opinion
Zach Lloyd: Warp's coding agent outperforms both Cursor and Windsurf
“Warp can code, and Warp code is at a level that's, like, comparable to cloud code. I think it's actually better than, like, Cursor's agent. It's probably better than Windsurf since they aren't, they don't have Sonnet for.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 21:37 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Jul 11, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Hsu: Speak mandates AI coding tools as default engineering workflow
“We try to set a culture in the engineering team where usage of these tools as much as possible and as a default path is the expectation. And in hiring We are now explicitly asking about this a lot, thinking about what are the types of people that are going to …”
Andrew Hsu Jul 11, 2025 ▶ 52:53 Personalized AI Language Education — with Andrew Hsu, Speak
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hou: Users choose SWE-1 at higher frequencies than Claude 3.7 and 3.5
“People are choosing SWE-ONE because it recognizes how they do work, not necessarily how to generate code. And it's contributing, actually, an even higher frequency than models like 3.7 and 3.5.”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:31:45 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Wang: Windsurf employees received 10 to 12 poaching emails during merger weekend
“And I don't think it was reported, but like time was not our friend. We had customers like starting to email like, Hey, what's the, what's going to happen to the company. And we had recruiters. I think almost every employee probably got like 10 or 12 recruitin…”
Jeff Wang Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:38:34 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mohan: The Windsurf Editor is a direct fork of VS Code
“It is a fork of VS Code, and yes, We do know the memes. But there wasn't a need to rebuild everything from scratch.”
Varun Mohan Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 1:36:16 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Hou: Future AI agents will anticipate developer actions dozens of steps ahead
“In the future, we'll be looking not just one to five steps in the future, but 10, 20, 30 steps into the future. It'll be writing unit tests before you've even finished defining the function. It'll be performing code-based-wide refactors on multiple files based…”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:54:26 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Wang: Other companies and VCs sought deals with Windsurf before Cognition merger
“When Scott, when I talked to Scott, it was just like, Hey, this kind of makes sense. Like there was other companies. That were interested. There was actually VCs that wanted to invest. But Scott, as a person with Russell, and then I was with Graham just talkin…”
Jeff Wang Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:35:38 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Wang: Prior to merger, Devin was building an IDE and Windsurf an agent
“We actually looked at each other's roadmaps, like product roadmaps and the Devon team was actually looking to build an ID and our team was actually looking to build a remote agent.”
Jeff Wang Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:44:33 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 neutral
Insight
Ramachandran: Coding agents needing constant human fixes are unready for autonomy
“If the agent there has to always get human involvement to keep on fixing itself, it's probably not ready to become a full end-to-end automated system, because then we're just going to turn into a linter where, like, it produces a bunch of things and no one loo…”
Anshul Ramachandran Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 1:54:54 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025
Disclosure
Wu: Cognition has no plans to change Devin and Windsurf product philosophies
“What I would say at a high level is, look, I think spiritually, you know, we really want to maintain the philosophies of both of these products and we have no plans to change that.”
Scott Wu Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:43:16 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hou: Windsurf generated 4.5 billion lines of code in three months
“So in three months, we've been generating 4.5 billion lines of code.”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:48:45 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hou: 90% of code written by Windsurf users is generated by Cascade
“All of our users, 90% of the code that they're writing is generated with Cascade. That's an astonishing number. Autocomplete was more in like the 20, 30%.”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:02:24 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Ramachandran: Executing terminal commands in Cascade will be a huge unlock
“Vern's talked about not just suggesting the terminal command, but actually executing them. Like, I think that's gonna be a huge unlock.”
Anshul Ramachandran Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:12:36 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Disclosure
Windsurf aims to shift coding workflows from 80% agent to 99% agent
“And today, timelines are 80 to 90% agent, 10 to 20% human. But we're trying to build towards a future that gets the 99% agent and one percent human. We only want to ask the user for final approval.”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:27:35 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Opinion
Mohan: Windsurf's real value is large codebase work, not 0-to-1 apps
“We had the technology to go out and build these zero to one apps very quickly, and I think people are using Windsurf to actually do that, and it's like extremely impressive, but the real value, I think, is actually much deeper than that. It's actually that you…”
Varun Mohan Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 1:49:50 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 neutral
Disclosure
Mohan: Windsurf Cascade splits planning to Claude and codebase application internally
“The high level planning that is going on in the model is actually getting done with products like the cloud, but the extremely fast retrieval, as well as the ability to like take the high level plan and actually apply it to the code base is proprietary systems…”
Varun Mohan Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:02:08 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 positive
Assertion Contradicted
Ramachandran: Cascade goes further than any other agentic system
“This allows Cascade to be independent, but Cascade takes it further than any other agentic system. By also generating commands to be run.”
Anshul Ramachandran Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 1:33:16 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 negative
Opinion
Hou: Chat interfaces are a legacy paradigm being replaced by AI agents
“We only have an agent, and it's called Cascade inside of Windsurf. Chat is a legacy paradigm, and we completely replaced it, and as you can see here, users are enjoying it, or in fact, they might not even know the difference, but they're just enjoying the high…”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:00:10 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Hou: 99% of AI editor rules file contents will be automatically inferred
“We strongly believe that having a rules file, you know, we do allow users to add a rules file, we strongly believe that a rules file is a crutch. You know, by the end of twenty-twenty-five, 99% of the things that you're gonna put in a rules file will be interp…”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:57:45 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 negative
Assertion Supported
Mohan: In-terminal AI commands were impossible to build in VS Code
“We literally couldn't do that. In VS Code.”
Varun Mohan Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:26:50 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hou: Windsurf is among Anthropic and OpenAI's largest consumers
“We've had immense success getting people onto the platform, and we've been very fortunate to have the issue of being some of Anthropic and OpenAI's largest consumers.”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:49:15 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Scott Wu: No customer or training data was shared in Windsurf transaction
“There was no, no, no information that was given out, for example, in terms of customer data, training data, any things like that. And so, so, you know, all of that is, is, is strictly proprietary and then remains, you know, our exclusive access.”
Scott Wu Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:51:39 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Hou: The future of developer tooling will eliminate copy-pasting into AI
“So we very strongly believe in a future of no copy-paste. Right? You should never have a situation where you're in a terminal, or you're in a document, or even on a website, and you're copy-pasting text into an agent. That's just not how the way the world work…”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:53:12 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 neutral
Disclosure
Ramachandran: Codeium's $10/month plan primarily covers compute costs without high margins
“And so we just created a 10 dollar a month pro plan, mostly just to cover the cost. Like we're not really like operating, I think, on a much of a margin there either, but like, okay, like just to cover us there.”
Anshul Ramachandran Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 2:07:55 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Ramachandran: AI flows will succeed AI agents in developer tooling
“Copilots are collaborative, but can only work on small scopes. Agents can do larger tasks, but are not collaborative. Both are very useful, but we realize that this real magic will happen when the AI has the ability to be both collaborative and independently p…”
Anshul Ramachandran Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 1:31:51 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Jul 28, 2025 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hou: Windsurf's SWE-1 achieves near-frontier model results at lower cost
“And we've been able to achieve near frontier model results at the fraction of the cost, and with a significantly smaller team.”
Kevin Hou Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 3:31:20 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Aug 6, 2025 bullish
Prediction Partly held up
Swyx: Windsurf will stick around as an active product post-acquisition
“I think Windsurf as a product is going to stick around, and people who really like Windsurf, I mean, I was a Windsurf user for a long time we are going to keep using it because it fills a need, and like, obviously, Cognition bought it for a reason.”
Shawn Wang Aug 6, 2025 ▶ 44:51 The AI Agenda: GPT5 leaks and the business of AI News — Steph Palazzolo, The Information
Sep 1, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Landgraf: OpenVSX powers all extensions in Cursor and Windsurf
“And together with that, we also created OpenVSX, which I think now powers all of the extensions that you see running in Cursor and also Windsurf, which is also open source under the Eclipse Foundation marketplace for VS Code.”
Johannes (Johannes Landgraf) Sep 1, 2025 ▶ 3:13 ⚡️Launching Ona: Coding Agent with Fully Sandboxed Cloud Environment
Dec 12, 2025 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Swyx: Windsurf dedicated a full Redwood City office floor to video production
“They're the first company I've seen with like a real one floor of it is just dedicated to their video production. One floor of the sort of office down in Redwood city. And I've never seen that.”
Shawn Wang Dec 12, 2025 ▶ 29:33 AI to AE's: Grit, Glean, and Kleiner Perkins' next Enterprise AI hit — Joubin Mirzadegan, Roadrunner
Dec 12, 2025 bullish
Opinion
Mirzadegan: Windsurf had the fastest growth of any Kleiner Perkins company
“It was the most torrential growth I think I've ever seen in a KP company. It was insane.”
Joubin Mirzadegan Dec 12, 2025 ▶ 26:22 AI to AE's: Grit, Glean, and Kleiner Perkins' next Enterprise AI hit — Joubin Mirzadegan, Roadrunner
Jun 21, 2026
Insight
Malde: Direct user modifications, not binary feedback, drive effective AI continual learning
“I think when people think about, like, online learning, continual learning, they'll first think of, like, accept, reject, or thumbs up, thumbs down, like some of those, like, kind of binary signals. It turns out that that's actually, like, very noisy. You can …”
Ronak Malde Jun 21, 2026 ▶ 16:54 ⚡️Every product of the future will be a living system — Ronak Malde, Trajectory.ai
Jun 21, 2026
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Malde walked away from $2B DeepMind acquisition to found Trajectory.ai
“Obviously the acquisition was for two billion dollars and went over to DeepBind, and then I decided to give up all the acquisition money to start trajectory.”
Ronak Malde Jun 21, 2026 ▶ 6:53 ⚡️Every product of the future will be a living system — Ronak Malde, Trajectory.ai
Jun 21, 2026 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Malde: SWE-ONE beat frontier models via user-signal post-training
“And this was the kind of major unlock for the company as well, is we had all this massive data. We were able to post train on all of that user signal and now beat the frontier.”
Ronak Malde Jun 21, 2026 ▶ 3:06 ⚡️Every product of the future will be a living system — Ronak Malde, Trajectory.ai
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