Power Retention

part of Manifest AI

9 statements across 1 episodes · 8 bullish · 1 bearish · 1 people on the record · first statement Sep 23, 2025 by Diego Bachman · said 2 times in 1 episodes since 2025 · across every show →

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Sep 23, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Bachman: Manifest AI will open-source all tools for transformer metamorphosis
“We're going to be completely open sourcing all of the pieces that you need to do this metamorphosis yourself”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 23:16 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 positive
Assertion Open · timeframe Sep 2028
Bachman: StarCoder-3B converted to Power Retention matches baseline loss in two hours
“After just 10,000 steps of training, which this training one took about two hours, this orange curve, you see that it fully matches the original loss.”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 16:11 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 bullish
Assertion Open · timeframe Sep 2028
Bachman: Power Retention models match original base model performance
“They'll come out with a nice shiny new, a power retention architecture that has the same performance on whatever data set they want as the original base model did.”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 24:00 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Bachman: Manifest AI is releasing Power Retention architecture with fixed-size memory
“Power retention is the specific variant that we're about to release. And it basically works by instead of the memory constantly growing, this constantly Growing KVCache. You have a memory that is a fixed size and each new token simply gets compressed into this…”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 4:17 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Bachman: Power Retention avoids quadratic compute scaling during long-context training
“So yeah, but we don't pay a quadratic cost. If you were looking at the star coder baseline, it would get even more, more expensive way more quickly.”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 18:34 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 negative
Disclosure
Bachman: Manifest Switched Power Retention from Triton to Custom CUDA
“Actually, our initial version of power retention was written in Triton, but we realized quickly that it just didn't offer the flexibility to really squeeze the performance that we wanted out of the GPU. So we took a step back and dove into CUDA.”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 9:33 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 bullish
Assertion Open · timeframe Sep 2026
Bachman: Power Retention Delivers 100x Inference Speedup at 64k Context
“And at 64 K tokens, We get something like a 10 X speed up at training, but at inference time, because you're not only saving flops at inference time, but also paging in and out of memory of the KV cache, you actually get a hundred X speed ups from power retent…”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 7:46 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 bullish
Prediction Open · timeframe Sep 2026
Bachman: Big Foundation Models Will Train on Power Retention Within a Year
“After that, I think, you know, probably within six months to a year, we're going to start to see the really big foundation models being trained in this way.”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 28:28 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
Sep 23, 2025 bullish
Disclosure
Bachman: Manifest plans 30-billion-parameter foundation model using Power Retention
“That's something we plan on doing at the like, thirty billion scale in the coming months.”
Diego Bachman Sep 23, 2025 ▶ 23:07 ⚡️ Beyond Transformers with Power Retention
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