embedding models

also referred to as: embedding model

2 statements across 2 episodes · 0 bullish · 2 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Dec 24, 2024 by Dan Fu · across every show →

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Dec 24, 2024 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fu: Embedding model quality barely matters for final RAG performance
“We had this experience over and over again where you could have any, an embedding model of any quality, so you could have a really, really bad embedding model, or you could have a really, really good one by, and by any measure of good, and for the final RAG ap…”
Dan Fu Dec 24, 2024 ▶ 33:00 2024 in Post-Transformer Architectures: State Space Models, RWKV [Latent Space LIVE! @ NeurIPS 2024]
Apr 19, 2025 bearish
Opinion
Bergum: Standalone embedding API startups face a difficult business model
“I think it's a difficult business model to be in, like, because you have to have an API based service and you have to do batching and you have to make up for the compute and then, you know, are people willing to pay for it? And I think maybe that's why Voyage …”
Jo Kristian Bergum Apr 19, 2025 ▶ 25:25 The Rise and Fall of the Vector DB category: Jo Kristian Bergum (ex-Chief Scientist, Vespa)
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