distillation
14 statements across 5 episodes · 8 bullish · 2 bearish · 6 people on the record · first statement Oct 13, 2024 by Vibhu Sapra · across every show →
Everything said about distillation, oldest first
Oct 13, 2024 negative
Distilling VLMs From Proprietary Models Copies Their Spatial Pointing Failures
“For example, all this proprietary stuff sucks at clocks, so nothing that's a distillation will be good at clocks. Nothing can point if you just distill from this. If they can't point, your VLM won't point, so we show how to get good data.”
Nov 2, 2024 neutral
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Agarwal: Optimal Post-Training Pipeline Combines Heavy Distillation Followed by RL
“So, so I would think maybe an optimal pipeline would look like you do distillation heavily, but then you still do some RL afterwards, because maybe there's still something you can get out of your reward functions or whatever your post-training stack is.”
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Agarwal: Standard RLHF Infrastructure Can Be Repurposed for Model Distillation
“First step is you go to an RLHF, RLXF, whatever framework you have. You turn off the reward term. So you delete the reward part of it. All you are left is some KL term. And now you swap your KL, the anchor policy, to a bigger teacher policy. And there you go. …”
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Agarwal: Gemma 2 Used Soft-Label Logit Distillation During Pre-Training
“GemRTool used distillation for pre-training, where they used logits, or these soft labels, which is rather than having hard zero, one tokens, which is, I want to predict this next token, they have like soft labels for all possible tokens.”
Mar 23, 2025 neutral
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Agarwal: 50/50 mix of KL divergences usually works when goals are unclear
“The general recommendation I would give people is that maybe use a mixture of half and half. Like that's what some people have used, right? That's like saying, yeah, basically saying, I don't know what I want. I just want something to work well enough. I'll ju…”
Mar 23, 2025 neutral
Agarwal: Distillation KL direction dictates trade-off between diversity and performance
“There's a trade-off between diversity and performance. So on the y-axis, I'm showing performance. On the x-axis, I'm showing similarity or basically how, like one minus diversity. So more similar things are less diverse. And you can see, depending on the diver…”
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Agarwal: Distillation Drives Year-Over-Year AI Capability Cost Reductions
“The capability which we have right now, maybe next year will be much cheaper to have that same thing. And that likely is the result of distillation, right? Like that's, it's not just because we are doing or figured out something magical. It is because distilla…”
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Mar 23, 2025 positive
Agarwal: Distillation accelerates speculative decoding for large models
“Now, the thing is, the effectiveness of this method depends on how close the sampler, the small model is to the bigger model that we want to speed up, and actually distillation exactly fixes that, which is, by distillation, you can make things closer to each o…”
Oct 20, 2025 negative
Feb 12, 2026 positive
Jeff Dean: Teacher model logits enable small models to learn from multi-pass training
“One of the key advantages of distillation is that you can have a much smaller model And you can have a very large you know, training data set and you can get utility out of making many passes over that data set because you're now getting the logits from the mu…”
Feb 12, 2026
Jeff Dean: Capable small models require first building frontier models
“Through distillation, which is a key technique for making the smaller models more capable, you know, you have to have the frontier model in order to then distill it into your smaller model. So it's not like an either or choice. You sort of need that in order t…”