DCLM

4 statements across 1 episodes · 2 bullish · 0 bearish · 1 people on the record · first statement Aug 29, 2025 by Ari Morcos · said 2 times in 1 episodes since 2024 · across every show →

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Aug 29, 2025
Assertion Contradicted
Morcos: DCLM researchers could not predict their own classifiers' filtering decisions above chance
“These are nominally the best experts you could ever hire to do this. These are students who have just spent all of their time looking at NLP data for two years. They could not predict what the DCLM classifiers would say above chance.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 18:06 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 positive
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Morcos: Curation gains stack multiplicatively and preserve relative dataset advantages
“If we apply our curation on top of say DCLM, and then we apply it on top of FineWeb, the gap between FineWeb and DCLM is maintained in the gap between kind of Datology curated DCLM and Datology curated FineWeb. They both get a lot better, but Datology DCLM is …”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 1:09:07 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Morcos: Nemotron dataset quality is similar to DCLM despite token gains
“Nematron is actually pretty similar in quality to DCLM. It's, it came out about six months later. It has more unique tokens. They made a really big deal about it having more unique tokens, but on average, the quality is, is pretty straightforward.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 29:12 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 bullish
Assertion Open · timeframe Aug 2028
Morcos: Datology matches DCLM performance 12x faster with under 10% tokens
“We're able to now get to the same performance as DCLM about 12 x faster. So, you know, in fewer than 10% of the tokens we can match What you get from training to convergence.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 29:43 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
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