Datology

10 statements across 2 episodes · 6 bullish · 0 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Aug 29, 2025 by Ari Morcos · said 37 times in 2 episodes since 2025 · across every show →

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Aug 29, 2025
Insight
Morcos: Complex, high-variance concepts require much more data redundancy than simple ones
“The amount of data that I need in order to properly understand dogs is going to be a lot higher than the amount of data I need to understand elephants.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 20:43 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 positive
Insight
Morcos: Curation gains stack multiplicatively and preserve relative dataset advantages
“If we apply our curation on top of say DCLM, and then we apply it on top of FineWeb, the gap between FineWeb and DCLM is maintained in the gap between kind of Datology curated DCLM and Datology curated FineWeb. They both get a lot better, but Datology DCLM is …”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 1:09:07 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 bullish
Assertion Open · timeframe Aug 2028
Morcos: Datology matches DCLM performance 12x faster with under 10% tokens
“We're able to now get to the same performance as DCLM about 12 x faster. So, you know, in fewer than 10% of the tokens we can match What you get from training to convergence.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 29:43 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025
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Morcos: Data curation requires compounding dozens of individually modest, conflicting techniques
“Data creation also is a hard problem to solve quote unquote, because it's not one where there's a single silver bullet. There's not just do this one trick and all of a sudden things work. It's rather here are these 50 different things that you can do, each of …”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 16:10 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025
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Morcos: No universal 'golden' curation exists for AI training data
“There's no golden curation. A curation is only optimal with respect to a given set of downstream use cases or tasks, right?”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 1:12:22 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Morcos: Proper data curation enables smaller models with equal or better performance
“Help the folks we work with to train models much faster to much better performance and to also help them train much smaller models to the same or better performance, which I actually think is some of the most exciting stuff going forward. But fundamentally, th…”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 1:43 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 positive
Insight
Morcos: Data curation choices fundamentally determine machine learning model performance
“There are a ton of choices you would make in that process, ranging from how you're going to filter the data, how you're going to sequence the data, what synthetic data you're going to generate, if any how you're going to batch the data, all of those things. An…”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 0:58 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 neutral
Disclosure
Morcos: Datology publishes intuition in blogs without enabling reproducibility
“What we've tried to do, and I think we've done a good job of, and I'm generally happy with the balance we've struck is try to, in the blog posts that we put out, give a lot of intuition as to kind of what we're doing and how it works without necessarily gettin…”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 37:01 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 positive
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Morcos: Arcee 4.5B beat Gemma before reaching one trillion tokens
“It was beating Gemma pretty consistently before the one trillion mark, which was pretty cool to see.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 1:07:33 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Feb 10, 2026 positive
Assertion Partly supported
Datology BeyondWeb 3B matches NVIDIA Nemotron 8B in 2.7x less training time
“As you can see that we achieved the same performance as the NVIDIA model in almost, like, 2.7 X, like, lesser time. And then much faster than anything that hugging face or pajama does. Very interestingly, our three B model is pretty much the same performance a…”
Pratyush Maini Feb 10, 2026 ▶ 21:35 ⚡️ Reverse Engineering OpenAI's Training Data — Pratyush Maini, Datology
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