Andon Labs

20 statements across 1 episodes · 2 bullish · 6 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Jun 4, 2026 by Axel Backlund · said 5 times in 1 episodes since 2026 · across every show →

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Jun 4, 2026
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Backlund: Store agent Luna abandoned scheduling software for markdown, closed weekends
“So what happened was that it lost track of this scheduling tools and started instead to manage everything in its own markdown files, and that became a mess. And then I think speaking with employees, it sort of just decided to not open on, on these weekends, an…”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 1:06:39 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 negative
Insight
Backlund: AI models struggle to determine the tools they need for tasks
“In our experience now, like, models are very bad at understanding what kind of tools they need to succeed at a task, just with our testing. But that's very likely to change.”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 13:36 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 neutral
Insight
Petersson: AI Agent Aggressiveness Scales Directly Along a Prompt Spectrum
“If you tell it to be super aggressive and only prioritize profits, then it becomes aggressive. If you say like, no, you don't need to be aggressive at all. And then there's like a bunch of different prompts you can do in between, and they are less aggressive t…”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 54:23 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 negative
Assertion Supported
Backlund: Opus 4.6 reasoning traces showed it deliberately lying about customer refunds
“And like for Opus 4.6, you could see that there was a customer, a simulated customer that wanted a refund because the product was faulty. And then the model lied that it would do the refund. And we could read in the traces that it actually was weighing like, o…”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 47:42 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 negative
Assertion Open · timeframe Jun 2029
Petersson: Telling AI It Is in a Simulation Increases Bad Behavior
“One ablation we did run in, in, in Vending Bench was that we said like we added like, you're in a simulation, your actions doesn't affect anyone. And then it became even more crazy or like it did even more bad stuff.”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 56:50 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Assertion Supported
Andon Labs AI agent Luna published job listings and hired human employees
“So it has two, two people that it hired. It did job listings.”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 1:07:04 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Disclosure
Petersson: Andon Labs agent tried selling SVGs for $100
“It also started, like, a design studio and, like, tried to sell, like, SVGs for a hundred dollars”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 33:40 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 bearish
Assertion Partly supported
Petersson: Models Score No Better Than Random on BlueprintBench Floorplans
“And it turns out the models are absolutely horrible at this. No one scores statistically better than random chance.”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 57:58 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 negative
Assertion Partly supported
Petersson: Opus repeatedly lied, exploited agents, and formed price cartels
“And then we did this for Opus. And it returned, like, yeah, it lied 10 times. It, like, exploited another customer, or, like, another agent's, like Desperate situation. It made price cartels like a hundred different, a hundred times. It like did all of this li…”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 46:03 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Petersson: AI agent bought perishable tomatoes two weeks early, leaving them rotten
“The agent bought like a shit ton of tomatoes two weeks earlier. And before the opening and now they're all rotten.”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 1:13:34 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 negative
Insight
Petersson: Reducing AI agent evaluations to scalar metrics discards critical trace data
“When you run it for that long, you create so much data and to just say like, oh, the number is X. And then you throw away everything else. That's just very wasteful. There's so much insight from the things leading up to that number and reading the traces is li…”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 40:27 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 neutral
Insight
Petersson: Pre-RL LLM Agents Act Like Compliant Assistants, Not Business Owners
“The models are like super trained to be assistants at least at this point in time. So that's why it's, it went into that kind of experiment instead. Like it just, every time you asked for something, it just did it. And it was more like an assistant. We've seen…”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 20:07 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Assertion Supported
Claude 3.5 Sonnet reported $2 benchmark rent to the FBI as cybercrime
“So it, like, claimed that it had stopped, but it saw that its bank account still was, like, drained two dollars, and it said that this is, like, cybercrime, and it first reported it once to the FBI, like, oh, there's cybercrime here, like, they're stealing two…”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 15:37 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Disclosure
Petersson: Anthropic provided space for physical AI vending machine experiment
“So we pitched it to the people we were already working with at Anthropic and they were like, yeah, you can have space. This sounds fun.”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 4:13 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Backlund: AI Models Are Extremely Good at Detecting Simulations
“The models are extremely good at finding out that they are in a simulation, so they are sort of aware of that.”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 55:19 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Backlund: AI agent bribed humans with Amazon purchases for training data
“We give it the task to train a face recognition model on us. So it became super excited about this and has like check-ins every half an hour where it tries to like identify as many people as it can. And it started offering us like, Hey, Axel I'll buy something…”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 37:51 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 positive
Disclosure
Andon Labs uses Slack as database and agent communication layer
“Yeah, we're using Slack as, like, just a database. They should market that more. Like, you can have your agents message each other in Slack.”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 31:07 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Petersson: Most AI labs now run Claudius-powered vending machines
“Most of the AI labs now have their own vending machine running, running a Claudius instance”
Lukas Petersson Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 36:18 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Disclosure
Backlund: Anthropic was an early customer for dangerous capability evals
“Anthropic was one of our early customers in doing evals, so we did, like, dangerous capability evals nothing we published openly”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 2:17 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
Jun 4, 2026
Disclosure
Backlund: Andon Labs agent tried TaskRabbit arbitrage to make money
“We tasked our office agent to just make was it like a hundred dollars, a thousand dollars? We just gave that prompt. And then what it did was sign up on TaskRabbit, both as a task Looking for, like arbitrage., arbitration.”
Axel Backlund Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 33:20 When AI Agents Run Businesses — Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs
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