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VCs are 'hitchhikers with credit cards' focused purely on exits
“I call the VCs I call them hitchhikers with credit cards, and, but what I mean by that is that they're getting into your car, And as long as you take them where they want to get to, which is an exit which either has to be a sale or an IPO... They're not there …”
Mackey: Professional managers view roles at Whole Foods as stepping stones
“In my experience, they're very, they're not usually mission driven. They've gotten their MBA from Harvard or Wharton or Stanford. They're very intelligent. They work hard, but working at Whole Foods or Amazon, it's just a, it's just part of their career path. …”
Mackey: The best capital is self-generated profit to retain business control
“The best capital you'll ever have is the capital you make yourself, and if you don't want to lose control of your business, then make sure you're very profitable, don't scale too quickly, grow your business thoughtfully and painfully patiently, keep your costs…”
Repeated disagreements with Amazon ultimately led to Mackey's retirement
“I had my share of disagreements with Amazon. I fought with them many times, and ultimately that led to me to retire.”
Mackey: Defeated four internal coup attempts across Whole Foods history
“I count four different coup attempts that occurred over the history of the company that I was able to beat back.”
Mackey: Whole Foods' Optimal Annual Growth Rate Was 15% to 25%
“So there is an optimum level of growth, and it's not too little that you'll lose people, and not so high that your culture gets diluted down and changes negatively. So at Whole Foods, that sweet spot for us was between about 15 and 25%.”
John Mackey: Controlling Investors Are Bad Money That Compromise Founder Vision
“Bad money is worse than no money. Do you remember when I interviewed Whole Foods founder John Mackey? He called bad money hitchhikers. Bad money will pay for the gas. As long as you do what they want and go where they want to go, and slowly you lose yourself a…”
Mackey: Never make poor business decisions just to hit an outdated plan
“But the tool shouldn't become the master. Some businesses become slaves to their business plan, and it's like, we're behind the plan now, so what are we going to do differently to get us back on plan? It's like, well, don't do something stupid to try to get yo…”
Mackey: Whole Foods left Mrs. Gooch's unintegrated for years after acquisition
“We pretty much just left them alone for the first few years and didn't try to integrate them into our company or culture. Just let them operate independently. That was the solution, and it worked.”
Mackey: Whole Foods held under 1% of grocery share during FTC case
“We got less than one percent of the grocery business, and they sort of made up this category that we were the, we had a monopoly of premium natural and organic food supermarkets, but my point is, of course, we weren't a monopoly of anything”
Mackey: Idealism without catering to customer demand leads to business failure
“If you just want to have your ideals, you can have them, but you may not have a business. So you have to engage with the market. You can try to influence the market. You can try to educate the market. But at the end of the day, they vote every day with their p…”
Mackey: Whole Foods lost $100 million on dot-com investments
“Times, I had the, I bought the Amory on, I pushed the dude dot com, we can't let the internet opportunity escape us. A hundred million dollars we lost.”
Mackey: Whole Foods had highest sales per square foot among public food retailers
“We had, at the time, the activist investors invested in Whole Foods. We had the highest sales per square foot of any public food retailer. We'd had the same store sales growth of eight percent over a thirty-plus year period.”
Mackey: Whole Foods signed Amazon merger agreement six weeks after first meeting
“They came down just three days later, and six weeks after that first meeting, we had signed an agreement to get married, to merge”
Mackey: Warren Buffett declined buying Whole Foods due to Dairy Queen ownership
“Warren Buffett's like the best example, and we actually contacted Warren and asked him if he'd be interested, and he has a good sense of humor, and he said that ah, you know, I own Dairy Queen. I don't think Holfe is a good brand fit for me. And so, nothing ca…”
Mackey: Love.Life implemented dual-class shares to protect founder control
“It may not surprise you that Love Life has that in our structure there. That didn't really exist when Whole Foods got founded back in 1978, but no, we have two classes of shares. I've learned that lesson.”
Mackey: Whole Foods Lamar location achieved highest US sales volume within six months
“In fact, within six months, it became the highest volume natural food store in the entire United States, based on everything I know about the world back then.”
Mackey: Project leaders rarely admit failure and instead lobby for resources
“Generally, when something is failing, the people that Are responsible for it. Don't want to admit it's failing, and what they do is that we need more resources. I can make this trick, but you need to give more resources.”
Mackey: Professional managers optimize for career risk while entrepreneurs optimize for experimentation
“That's the job of the entrepreneur is to see things the professionals would not see, or the professionals are making a more calculated decision on is this good for my career or not? Or if this succeeds, will it really help my career? But if it fails, will I en…”
Mackey: Whole Foods bulk food sales dropped from over 20% to under 1%
“Our very first store was over 20% of our sales were in the bulk foods department, and we didn't have any candy back then. So it was just whole grains, whole, whole grain flour, beans, nuts, seeds, things like that, whole foods. And today it's under one percent…”
Gupta: Whole Foods represented 43% of Instacart's volume when Amazon acquired it
“When Amazon bought whole foods, that was a terrible moment for us at the time. We our blood competitor, who's known for annihilating everyone in their way buys our biggest partner who owns, who has responsible for 43% of our volume.”
Mackey: Amazon invested hundreds of millions in delivery during COVID-19
“Amazon was able to step up and invest literally hundreds of millions of dollars in delivery in order to enable Whole Foods and Amazon Fresh to be able to deliver when the demand went from virtually zero to a huge percentage of your business.”
Whole Foods survived 1981 flood only through a banker's personal guarantee
“He said, John, the bank turned the loan down. The only reason you got that money was Mark Monroe personally guaranteed that loan.”
Mackey: Whole Foods was not as good at cost discipline
“Whole Foods was not as good at that if we were at other things. And I wasn't as good at that as I should have been.”
Mackey: Whole Foods generated $1.3B EBITDA when Jana Partners targeted company
“We had EBITDA was very high. I think we were making about 1.3 billion dollars in EBITDA when Jana bought us.”
Amazon acquisition talks involved a secret location and security searches
“When we were going up there to talk about maybe Amazon buying Whole Foods you know, we were meeting at Jeff's Boathouse, which was next to his mansion on Lake Washington, and, but when we, they wouldn't tell us who the meeting place was until we landed, and th…”
Mackey: Whole Foods grew slowly in new markets for 10-15 years
“Anytime Whole Foods went into a new market for the first 10 to 15 years we existed, it was a slow growth. Because people just had never heard of us before.”
Mackey: Whole Foods acquired all peer entrepreneurs in the Natural Foods Network
“And eventually Whole Foods ended up, all those entrepreneurs all ultimately sold out to us. So Natural Foods Network ended up being this great vehicle of relationship building that allowed those entrepreneurs to all cash out and make, become millionaires and m…”