The Ledger

Every statement that passed quotation and attribution checks. Mix any filter with any other: certainty 1/5, debate potential 5/5, or both at once.

clear all ✕

why aren't all 30 resolved? a statement only gets an assessment when the public record can support or contradict it. opinions and what-ifs never can, and 0 checkable ones are still open, waiting for their date. predictions held up or didn't; assertions are supported or contradicted. on every card: ▮▮▮▮▮ certainty · ▮▮▮▮▮ debate potential. speakers are clickable

Opinion
Shaich: Public markets force CEOs into short-term cost-cutting over transformative bets
“There's a pervasive sense of short-termism that has invaded our markets. The reality is, when you have such short-term pressure on our CEOs, they react. And what that ends up meaning is cost-cutting. And they avoid the kind of transformative events that drove …”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 34:35 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Partly supported
Shaich: Au Bon Pain was the first example of fast casual dining
“And for people who were working in white collar jobs increasingly in urban settings, this was the first example of what we later came to call fast casual. This was an attempt to do something that was better But in a quick service mode.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 19:32 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Insight
Shaich: Public market short-termism forces CEOs into cost-cutting over transformative bets
“There's a pervasive sense of short-termism that has invaded our markets. The reality is, when you have such short-term pressure on our CEOs, they react. And what that ends up meaning is cost-cutting. And they avoid the kind of transformative events that drove …”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 34:03 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Shaich won a board battle with two votes against VCs' three
“It was a huge boardroom struggle, because I had two votes, our venture capitalists had three, and all of them had invested in Au Bon Pain.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 27:59 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Supported
Shaich: Panera tripled its stock price during the Great Recession
“We said this is the time to build competitive advantage, and ultimately we tripled the stock through the recession.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 31:26 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shaich: Au Bon Pain pioneered the fast-casual restaurant category
“What the bakery cafe was an alternative between down and dirty fast food. And fine dining. And for people who were working in white collar jobs increasingly in urban settings, this was the first example of what we later came to call fast casual.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 19:58 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Insight
Shaich: 1990s fast food became commoditized 'gasoline stations' for humans
“Post-World War II, fast food was special. You fast forward it to 1990 with 60,000 drive-throughs in America. Fast food had become self-service gasoline stations for the human body, and the reality of it was, That there were many consumers that were holding the…”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 25:26 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Supported
Shaich: Panera stock surged 100x after selling off Au Bon Pain
“The stock has been up a hundredfold since then.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 28:39 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Supported
Panera Bread ultimately sold to JAB Holding for $315 per share
“And ended up selling for 315 a share.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 29:25 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Supported
Shaich: Panera tripled its stock price through the Great Recession
“We said this is the time to build competitive advantage, and ultimately we tripled the stock through the recession.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 31:58 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Insight
Shaich: Business is a political campaign that never ends
“But in so many ways, running a business is no different than a campaign. In fact, a campaign is a business that, that essentially has one day in which it ends. A business is a campaign that goes on and never ends.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 5:17 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Supported
Shaich: Took 60% equity to merge Cookie Jar into Au Bon Pain
“I came to them and said, look it, I think I can fix this. You give me 60% of the company. You and your investors keep 40%. I'll put my cookie store, which was making money, in with your three Obonpens, and we'll create a new company.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 13:05 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Insight
Shaich: 1990s fast food became like gasoline stations for the body
“Post-World War II, fast food was special. You fast forward it to the 1990 with 60,000 drive-throughs in America. Fast food had become self-service gasoline stations for the human body, and the reality of it was, That there were many consumers that were holding…”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 24:53 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Contradicted
Shaich: VCs controlled 3 of 5 board votes during Au Bon Pain divestment fight
“It was a huge boardroom struggle, because I had two votes, our venture capitalists had three, and all of them had invested in Au Bon Pain.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 27:26 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Disclosure
Shaich took 60 percent equity in the merger with Au Bon Pain
“You give me 60% of the company. You and your investors keep 40%. I'll put my cookie store, which was making money, in with your three Obonpens, and we'll create a new company.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 13:46 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Partly supported
Corporate giants Pepsi and Sara Lee launched failed rival bakery-cafes
“Pepsi came after us. They decided this was going to be the third leg of Pepsi food service, and they created something called La Petite Boulangerie. Sarah Lee came after us. They bought a chain called Michelle's Baguette, and they were going to open 400 stores…”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 20:50 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Disclosure
Au Bon Pain bought 19 St. Louis Bread stores for $23 million
“So, in November of 1993, we bought the St. Louis Bread Company, those 19 stores, for twenty-three million dollars.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 23:00 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Supported
Shaich: St. Louis Bread matched Au Bon Pain volume at half cost
“St. Louis Bread Company was generating volumes nearly as high as Au Bon Pain, but doing so in real estate that cost half as much.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 23:35 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Partly supported
Shaich: Panera opened a new store every three days around 2009
“Basically every three days.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 30:49 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Shaich owned six times more stock than co-founder Louis Kane
“I owned, you know, six times more stock than him, but most of the community at that point undoubtedly thought the company was Lou's.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 33:09 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Partly supported
Shaich: Pepsi and Sara Lee launched major bakery chains to compete with Au Bon Pain
“Pepsi came after us. They decided this was going to be the third leg of Pepsi food service, and they created something called La Petite Boulangerette. Sarah Lee came after us. They bought a chain called Michelle's Baguette, and they were going to open 400 stor…”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 20:15 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Disclosure
Au Bon Pain acquired St. Louis Bread Company for $23M in 1993
“So in November of 1993, we bought the St. Louis Bread Company, those 19 stores, for twenty-three million dollars.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 22:26 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Supported
St. Louis Bread matched Au Bon Pain volumes at half real estate cost
“St. Louis Bread Company was generating volumes nearly as high as Au Bon Pain, But doing so in real estate that cost half as much.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 23:02 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Supported
Shaich: Panera Bread ultimately sold for $315 per share
“No, and it ended up selling for 315 a share.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 28:52 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Contradicted
Shaich: Panera opened a new store every three days by 2009
“Basically every three days.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 30:17 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Partly supported
Shaich controlled 17% of Panera Bread's voting stock
“No, I, you know what, the truth is, I probably could, because I voted 17% of the stock, and I had this reputation, this credibility.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 33:45 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Disclosure
Shaich funded his first Boston cookie store with $100,000 initial equity
“I had about 25,000 dollars. My dad essentially lent me, gave me 75,000 dollars, and that 100,000 dollars became the grub steak, the equity, that allowed us to build that first 400 square foot cookie store. In downtown Boston.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 8:28 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Early Au Bon Pain dried spinach in clothes dryers until one exploded
“But we put defrosted spinach in clothes dryers letting it run off the water was a great idea until one day we blew the top off the dryer and ended up with spinach in In all 3000 square feet of the production space.”
Ron Shaich Feb 10, 2020 ▶ 14:48 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich (2018)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shaich: Au Bon Pain dried spinach in clothes dryers until one exploded
“We put defrosted spinach in clothes dryers letting it run off the water was a great idea until one day we blew the top off the dryer and ended up with spinach in, in all 3000 square feet of the production space.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 14:11 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shaich: Au Bon Pain relied on an auto mechanic for equipment repairs
“We didn't even have the ability to maintain our equipment, and I would use my auto mechanic to help fix the equipment. I didn't know what else to call, and we had a dough divider that was essentially being held together with bailing wire and paper clips.”
Ron Shaich Apr 30, 2018 ▶ 14:35 Panera Bread/Au Bon Pain: Ron Shaich
Made with StarZero

Turn any episode into a week of clips.

This entire site, over 800 episodes transcribed, diarized, checked and made playable, runs on the StarZero media pipeline. Drop in your own episode and the podcast clipper finds the moments worth sharing, cuts them, captions them, and reframes them for every feed.