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D 5 · C 5 · P 5 · Cm 5 5.00
Q Okay, so the idea what would be, there'd be lockers, initially in office buildings, and let's talk about the locker first. Like, I'm imagining an Amazon locker today that's digital, and you know, but this is 2013. So what What were those lockers going to be and how would people access them?
A So you're exactly right. They were simple and we actually called them dumb lockers, but they were dumb by design because that brought costs low. They had a digi lock on them and you would just type a four digit code and you'd turn it. And then the only other thing that would make it special was we put a number at the top. So each person, so say a certain building would have eight lockers, four on the top, four on the bottom. Each of those would be numbered one through eight. You'd go, guy, drop off your, your laundry in this, you know, hypothetically office building, and you would just send us a text, and it would just be this, this one number, and you would just say the number three. And that would give us the signal to go pick it up, and we wanted to keep this as simple as possible.
AI assessment note: “They had a digi lock on them and you would just type a four digit code”
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D 5 · C 5 · P 5 · Cm 4 4.85
Q I mean, this is like, you know, that, that time, I mean, it's like Uber is starting to make waves, and obviously Airbnb is already, you know, really starting to have an impact, and Slack is, is coming out, and I mean, they're all of these things. Were you following those trends? Were you cognizant of them, or were you, was that sort of front and center in your mind?
A You know, I would think the answer is yes, but it wasn't, and the reason why was like, I was in this private equity bubble. You know, all the private equity firms in San Francisco were in one building in one maritime plaza. And then I kind of looked at starting a company as like a private equity guy. And I was like, all right, let me think through what would be a good opportunity. And there was literally zero to no dream. It was all right. I need to find a highly fragmented industry, one that has low technology and no branding. And so like, by the way, the irony is that if you pick those three things up, You actually should result in taxis. But as you know, I ended up with dry cleaning.
AI assessment note: “I would think the answer is yes, but it wasn't”
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D 5 · C 5 · P 5 · Cm 4 4.85
Q at a dry cleaner, they do not do the laundering and the dry cleaning on site. They're just a storefront, and there's usually central facilities that service all these dry cleaners. So when people say, oh, my dry cleaner is the best, it's actually not true, necessarily, because they're all getting it cleaned at the same central place. What was the opportunity you saw to, quote unquote, disrupt that model?
A From the consumer side, the biggest one was the 24 seven access. And could you create something? And actually, there was like a little company at the time called Laundry Locker that like kind of tried this out a bit in San Francisco. And the idea was to, hey, you know, go here 24 seven. I think you'd use like a, you'd get like a fob to try to get into the building, but you could then access it 24 seven. But then as we dug in, we realized, oh my, Not just could we create something that's more convenient, but this would actually allow us to eliminate half the cost. Because dry cleaners operate at 15% margin businesses. And by the way, when you take out the salary of the owner operator, it's like zero percent. And so, you know, everyone said, hey, why are you doing this? This is a low margin industry. But what we realized is that if we could get some 24 seven access or depot, you can get rid of rent and labor on site. And that all of a sudden allows you to operate at 40% margins.
AI assessment note: “From the consumer side, the biggest one was the 24 seven access.”
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D 5 · C 5 · P 5 · Cm 4 4.85
Q And was there a big sign that said, get your dry cleaning done here? Or, I mean, how did, how did you catch people's attention?
A We did a lot of guerrilla marketing. So that same idea we had where we sat at a storefront and put a label, a table down and talked to people. We did the exact same thing in the lobbies. Because what we realized in all the work we did up front is that the reason why everyone wanted to drop off their clothes with a known person is because they're, they're dropping off what they love to wear. And that gives them confidence. And so ultimately when we, we realized the best tactic is it's not the lockers, but it was actually us setting up tables in the lobbies of apartment buildings and offices to say, Hey, we're a dry cleaner. And this was really, I mean, Guy, I think over the course of our entire entrepreneurship, I think I might have hosted a thousand events in lobbies of buildings, and that would be really where we'd convert.
AI assessment note: “setting up tables in the lobbies of apartment buildings and offices to say, Hey”
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D 5 · C 5 · P 5 · Cm 4 4.85
Q And you just needed a warehouse that was relatively inexpensive. Did you buy the warehouse or did you lease it?
A We leased it, and it was really hard to build this plant, and, you know, we had to get all these licenses and utilities figured out. Uh, we even had to get an architect because we're the first dry cleaner that was in this facility. But once we were up and running, we ended up realizing that we could all of a sudden get rid of this middleman. And so instead of 50% of our costs all of a sudden going away, all we had to do is pay for our own people and rent. And so again, you know, our margin was typically around 25% of the bottom line, 50% at the top, at the gross margin level. Both of those went up by 10 percentage points.
AI assessment note: “We leased it, and it was really hard to build this plant”
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D 5 · C 4 · P 4 · Cm 4 4.30
Q But how many employees did you have to pay?
A So, I think around this three-year mark, we were in D.C., and then also Nashville. And so I want to say at this point, we probably had 45 to 50 employees. And so we had a huge transportation team. We had a team that would inventory all the items. At this point, we had a marketing team that would set up these events. We had a sales team. And when we decided to, to insource this, this is where the, the issue with the business model upfront became our asset later on, because this opened us up for debt financing. And so we were able to buy all this equipment. We bought some of it used, some of it new, but we were able to finance about 80% of our plant using debt and asset-back lending.
AI assessment note: “we probably had 45 to 50 employees”
