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Opinion
Baglino: Scaling electricity generation is more concerning than electrifying demand
“The demand side I'm less worried about than the generation side, I guess.”
Drew Baglino Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 10:00 Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan
Opinion
Baglino: A 30% heat pump efficiency boost beats cheap gas on TCO
“There's some folks out there that are saying they can get another 30% Improvement in heat pump efficiency, which now you're really talking about being competitive on a total cost of ownership against natural gas, even in places where natural gas is the most in…”
Drew Baglino Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 13:49 Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan
Opinion
Kann: AI Power Demand Is Undeniably Slowing Down Industrial Electrification
“I think it is undeniably gumming up the works right now, if you are trying to accelerate electrification of other stuff as quickly as you possibly can, particularly industrial stuff.”
Shayle Kann Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 34:19 Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan
Opinion
Kann: High power costs, not permitting, drive industrial projects from California
“The, I would say that the limiting factor that I've seen over and over again these days is not as much permitting as it is the cost of power, which is which has become insanely high in California, and that ends up like pushing people out of state more than any…”
Shayle Kann Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 57:56 Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan
Opinion
Lubbershane: Partial electrification is probably the right path for heavy-duty trucking
“I'll say in general, for the category of heavy-duty trucks, Battery swapping, I think, belongs in a broader category, which I would call, you know, partial electrification, right? There's lots of things you could do potentially with a truck to make it partiall…”
Andy Lubershane May 30, 2024 ▶ 26:23 Heavy duty decarbonization
Opinion
Delta CSO: Aviation must scale SAF faster than wind or solar did
“We've got to outpace Some of those other emergent industries in terms of we don't have decades to get this right. It needs to scale sooner rather than later.”
Amelia DeLuca May 16, 2024 ▶ 5:31 Understanding SAF buyers
Opinion
Steingart: 5-minute charging batteries with zero explosion risk are likely impossible
“So the question is, is how do we have a battery that it gets us a 300 mile range that can be charged in five minutes that has zero danger of exploding, right? And that's probably Impossible, completely, but understanding how and why they explode is something r…”
Dan Steingart Apr 11, 2024 ▶ 13:17 The Big Switch: Are Batteries the New Oil?
Opinion
Moerenhout: The world's best batteries and cathodes are Chinese technology
“If you look today at the best type of batteries, the best cathodes in the world, that is Chinese technology.”
Tom Moerenhout Apr 11, 2024 ▶ 28:30 The Big Switch: Are Batteries the New Oil?
Opinion
Steingart: Grading spent EV battery cells for second-life applications is not bankable
“It's typically pretty, pretty difficult to justify the cost of grading these cells and estimating their second life. We do a fair bit of that in my lab, and I have to say to date, I think that, that it's probably not a bankable effort yet. I'm not sure that ev…”
Dan Steingart Apr 4, 2024 ▶ 6:14 The world of battery recycling
Opinion
Steingart: Graphite battery recycling is hard to justify economically and technically
“Long story short, graphite recycling is in its infancy, and it's pretty difficult to justify from a purity and homogeneity basis, and, you know, frankly, there, there's plenty of graphite in the ground, so, so it's hard to justify from an economic basis recycl…”
Dan Steingart Apr 4, 2024 ▶ 31:12 The world of battery recycling
Opinion
Lubbershane: AI's impact over the next five years will underperform market expectations
“I'm actually Someone who's in the camp of taking the under on how impactful AI will be at least in the next, let's say, five years.”
Andy Lubershane Mar 28, 2024 ▶ 43:47 The electricity gauntlet has arrived
Opinion
Lubbershane: Major IRA manufacturing provisions will be politically difficult to rescind
“I think it would be very difficult, both, both from a pure political standpoint and from a political economy standpoint, to rescind some of the major features of the IRA at this point that are supporting development of new manufacturing facilities in many case…”
Andy Lubershane Mar 28, 2024 ▶ 44:57 The electricity gauntlet has arrived
Opinion
Bullard: Long-term carbon markets need better application of standards, not more standards
“I don't think that in the long run, markets are asking for more standards. They're asking for better application of a number of standards.”
Nat Bullard Feb 15, 2024 ▶ 27:43 More 2024 trends: ESG, carbon certifications, curtailment, and AI
Opinion
Bullard: AI data center load growth mirrors greenfield smelting era
“I'm planning for industrial load growth of the sort that grids haven't known since maybe they were building greenfield smelting capacities or things like that.”
Nat Bullard Feb 15, 2024 ▶ 40:57 More 2024 trends: ESG, carbon certifications, curtailment, and AI
Opinion
Kann: Novel biomass CDR ideas carry severe feedstock and scalability risks
“I see a lot of novel ideas around biomass-based CDR, and every one of them scares me specifically because of the question of where is the feedstock going to come from, how is it going to scale, and are there going to be a bunch of negative side effects when th…”
Shayle Kann Jan 19, 2024 ▶ 47:37 Sourcing biomass for carbon removal
Opinion
Zou: Carbon accounting is oversaturated and behaves more like consulting than SaaS
“Carbon accounting isn't necessarily a market that needs 200 or 300 players. And also I think a lot of them end up being a bit more consulting advisory based than traditional enterprise SaaS like generalist investors understood.”
Kim Zou Jan 11, 2024 ▶ 21:14 2023 climate tech venture investment trends
Opinion
Treasury's FEOC guidance forms a strict barrier against Chinese battery materials
“Based on my expectations, this is, it's significantly restrictive. My expectations was there were going to be a lot of loopholes and a lot of ways for this to snake around the FEOC label. But it's a pretty, it is a pretty solid bulletproof way of keeping the C…”
Sam Jaffe Dec 7, 2023 ▶ 7:51 Update: What the new Treasury rules mean for EV supply chains
Opinion
Woolley: Broad rollout of dynamic electricity rates is overly complex for consumers
“You don't want to make the proposition too complex because I mean, I hear a lot about like, well, let's just roll out like dynamic rates to everybody within, within markets. And I'm personally not necessarily a fan of doing that. I think some consumers will li…”
Nick Woolley Nov 30, 2023 ▶ 23:59 EV charging on both sides of the pond
Opinion
Tech sector climate goals make data center load growth a net positive
“I generally think on balance, it's good because those customer sets tend to be particularly progressive when it comes to climate issues, and they're willing to put their money where their mouth is and take some risks that, that others will not.”
Shayle Kann Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 11:02 Mailbag episode! Interest rates, carbon dioxide removal, load growth, and more
Opinion
Kann: Going off-grid is never economical with existing macro grid access
“You just don't see that working out economically for any customer who has access to the macro grid.”
Shayle Kann Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 23:15 Mailbag episode! Interest rates, carbon dioxide removal, load growth, and more
Opinion
Kann: California net metering reforms appropriately value grid-timed distributed energy
“In my mind, high level without sort of getting into the nuances of that specific policy, like that is appropriately valuing those resources. It's saying if you, if the resource can actually alleviate a challenge on the grid, which is a real thing in California…”
Shayle Kann Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 28:16 Mailbag episode! Interest rates, carbon dioxide removal, load growth, and more
Opinion
Kann: Electric stoves are overhyped because cooking emissions are negligible
“The reason that I think it is overhyped is that from a climate context, I don't think it really matters. Like at the end of the day, it's not, your stove is not a significant load in your home, and so you can electrify it or not, and I guess maybe it matters i…”
Shayle Kann Nov 3, 2023 ▶ 23:17 The Volts crossover episode
Opinion
Roberts: Geogrids are the cheapest, cleanest way to heat and cool buildings
“And basically, if you can build one of these things, you have what I think is Easily the cheapest and cleanest and most efficient way of heating and cooling buildings that exists in the world, as far as I can tell.”
David Roberts Nov 3, 2023 ▶ 46:06 The Volts crossover episode
Opinion
Kann: The voluntary carbon market is broken and full of vaporware
“I agree that that market is a mess and broken, and there's a lot of vaporware there.”
Shayle Kann Nov 3, 2023 ▶ 52:41 The Volts crossover episode
Opinion
Hade: IRA tax equity transaction costs disproportionately hurt distributed energy
“The way we incentivize electricity systems in the United States through the Inflation Reduction Act is through tax credits, right? And just fundamentally, the transaction costs associated with monetizing tax equity disproportionately hurt smaller distributed e…”
Tim Hade Oct 26, 2023 ▶ 39:10 The market for microgrids
Opinion
Norris: Cluster studies lack proof of speeding up grid interconnection queues
“What I think is fair to say is that we don't really have good empirical evidence, ah, to prove or disprove this hypothesis yet. There have been, ah, transmission providers that have shifted to cluster studies in recent years. I was very involved in one of thos…”
Tyler Norris Sep 21, 2023 ▶ 15:41 Fixing interconnection
Opinion
Norris: ERCOT's planning process pursues fewer proactive grid upgrades than needed
“It's worth noting that there are some really significant limitations to ERCOT's transmission planning process, and there are a lot of concerns that it doesn't Incorporate the longer-term benefits of these upgrades, and the result is that they aren't, they prob…”
Tyler Norris Sep 21, 2023 ▶ 22:55 Fixing interconnection
Opinion
Kann: Meeting power demand is US climate progress's biggest near-term roadblock
“It is, in my humble opinion, the single biggest near-term roadblock to significant climate progress, at least in the U.S.”
Shayle Kann Aug 17, 2023 ▶ 4:20 Navigating the electricity gauntlet
Opinion
Vijendran: Space solar is the only promising clean energy receiving almost no investment
“Peculiarly, space-based solar power is the, Only really promising form of clean energy, potential form of clean energy technology that I would argue the world is not investing in significantly because every other energy source that you can think of, whether it…”
Sanjay Vijendran Aug 10, 2023 ▶ 42:33 Beaming 24/7 solar… from space
Opinion
Rayford Smith: Utilities should target one-month grid interconnections, not 18 months
“I've heard people say there's no way to get things on the grid faster than that, 12 to 18 months. I think fundamentally like that, then we still have a problem. Like we should be shooting for three months. We should be shooting for one month.”
Rayford Smith Aug 4, 2023 ▶ 25:37 With Great Power: What other industries can teach utilities about innovation
Opinion
Emily Grubert: Fossil CCS primarily functions to extend fossil fuel lifespans
“In practice, because this is mostly fossil stuff, I think that ends up looking a lot like lifespan extension or some way to keep using fossil fuels into a decarbonized future.”
Dr. Emily Grubert Jul 20, 2023 ▶ 9:38 The good and bad of carbon capture
Opinion
Hawkins: Climate efforts should preserve fungal habitats rather than engineer fungi
“I don't think it's so much about it being some kind of carbon reduction system that we can manipulate so much as it's about our behavior change so that we provide conditions that encourage the growth of these mycorrhizal fungi so they can continue to draw down…”
Dr. Heidi Jane Hawkins Jun 29, 2023 ▶ 26:19 The fungus among us
Opinion
Zindler: First Solar is very well positioned for IRA manufacturing credits
“First Solar, obviously, as a U.S.-based company, is the one that Sort of licking its lips here, looking at these benefits because they are integrated. You know, they obviously have overseas production too, but they've got a lot, you know, a lot on U.S. Soil, y…”
Ethan Zindler Jun 22, 2023 ▶ 14:46 Building out a U.S. solar supply chain
Opinion
Kann is skeptical LLMs will fundamentally change climate tech and energy
“I have generally been a bit more skeptical than most, I think, that it would change, fundamentally change at least, the things that I spend my professional time on, which is to say climate tech and energy.”
Shayle Kann Jun 15, 2023 ▶ 2:43 AI for climate: a real world test
Opinion
Madaeni: AI will shift software engineering toward prompting, code review, and QA
“At the end of the day, we're flying a plane that's, we're souping up the autopilot system, but I think we still need pilots. And, you know, a pilot with an autopilot system is a different kind of a pilot. So it's mostly about, I wouldn't say essay writing, but…”
Seyed Madaeni Jun 15, 2023 ▶ 20:39 AI for climate: a real world test
Opinion
Madaeni: LLMs are not equipped to build and train neural nets for forecasting
“But it's clear that I don't think that LLMs are equipped with, you know, building a whole neural net from scratch and training them and do some form of supervised, unsupervised learning for Forecasting.”
Seyed Madaeni Jun 15, 2023 ▶ 35:08 AI for climate: a real world test
Opinion
Madaeni: Equivalent battery optimization code manually takes two engineers one month
“Once you want to like grab, put some software foundation, what Duncan has presented today, I would say you need two engineers, more like a backend software engineer and an optimization engineer. And depending on how well they get along with each other, because…”
Seyed Madaeni Jun 15, 2023 ▶ 59:20 AI for climate: a real world test
Opinion
Kann: Voluntary carbon market's core trust issues remain unchanged today
“But I would argue that the fundamental problems that plagued the market when I was a wee young analyst are basically unchanged today. We still have not yet figured out how to build enough trust in this market to see its scale.”
Shayle Kann Jun 8, 2023 ▶ 4:41 The carbon market’s quality problem
Opinion
Lubershane: Economically viable CCS will compete directly with grid energy storage
“To the extent CCS becomes, you know, proven and economically viable, I think it serves as a competitive force on, you know, any of these opportunities for grid storage and for energy storage over time, because it, you It's probably the next best alternative.”
Andy Lubershane May 25, 2023 ▶ 56:34 Four ways to store sunlight
Opinion
Larson: EPA power plant rule poses very low risk to grid reliability
“Just the fact that peakers and you know, load following combined cycle units aren't touched at all says to me that that, that should be a very, very low concern, right, from a reliability perspective, because you've, all the stuff you're using to balance on th…”
John Larson May 18, 2023 ▶ 25:03 Unpacking EPA’s newly proposed power emissions rule
Opinion
Larson: Inflation Reduction Act tax credits are politically durable
“Like, you know, those rules are in place, those reg sorry, incentives are in there for 10 years, and although Congress has tried to repeal them, they're pretty, you know, politically durable.”
John Larson May 18, 2023 ▶ 38:08 Unpacking EPA’s newly proposed power emissions rule
Opinion
Hertz-Shargel: Flared-gas Bitcoin mining appears to offer a net emissions benefit
“My understanding is that flaring is very kind of deeply imperfect in that you do a lot of methane leakage or more than you'd want, and that if you are properly capturing this flared gas, this gas, and you can run it through, you know, a sort of a gen set to, a…”
Ben Hertz-Shargel May 11, 2023 ▶ 42:31 The great Bitcoin energy debate
Opinion
Song: Inhaling sulfur dioxide is less painful than a bong hit
“Like, if you've ever done a massive bong hit, like, it's, let's, it's not, it sounds, a bong hit is worse than, you know, what you're gonna inhale in terms of the pain.”
Andrew Song Apr 27, 2023 ▶ 4:32 The Carbon Copy: A rogue geoengineering startup sparks worry
Opinion
Kugelmass: Most modern small modular reactors are neither small nor truly modular
“Most of them that are thought of as the SMRs in this generation are neither small, some of them are bigger than the original reactors, and they're not modular. Like, they are using traditional construction techniques that maybe have, like, a little bitty bit o…”
Brett Kugelmass Feb 16, 2023 ▶ 6:34 Strong opinions on SMRs
Opinion
Kann: Commodity chemical decarbonization may favor electrochemistry over synbio
“So we're talking about stuff like ethylene and propanol, a bunch of these big commodity chemical categories, which are much bigger markets, bigger decarbonization impact ultimately, but less complex molecules to create and processes where sort of traditional c…”
Shayle Kann Feb 2, 2023 ▶ 7:33 Mailbag episode! Biotech, layoffs, battery recycling and more
Opinion
Kann: Backlash against unfettered solar geoengineering is probably the right move
“I think a swift regulatory or political backlash to, like, totally unfettered solar geoengineering is probably the right thing.”
Shayle Kann Feb 2, 2023 ▶ 11:44 Mailbag episode! Biotech, layoffs, battery recycling and more
Opinion
Kann: Thermostat grid value cannot support multiple layers of intermediaries
“The amount of economic value you can extract from a thermostat in response to grid signals is not nothing, but it's not enough to allow for, you know, three different intermediaries to take a slice of the pie.”
Shayle Kann Jan 26, 2023 ▶ 12:58 The journey to monetizing DERs
Opinion
Composting is poorly suited for food waste due to its gloopy texture
“Composting is really good for, like, things like yard waste or agricultural waste, things that are really bulky. Composting is really not great for food waste. Food waste is kind of gloopy. You know, that's a technical term. And large-scale composters actually…”
Matt Rogers Jan 19, 2023 ▶ 9:01 This episode is trash
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