Ramez Naam discusses climate tech exit pathways and public market receptivity on the Catalyst podcast.
Insight
Naam: Deep tech startups no longer need commercial scale to exit
“It's no longer the case that we have to wait all the way until we have a product commercially on sale or at scale for this to produce an exit.”
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Naam: App-based software businesses have weaker moats than hard tech
“We used to believe that, or companies like, again, I'll say Uber or WeWork, we thought, oh, they have natural network effects, they're gonna have a gigantic moat but it turns out switching costs for consumers are actually pretty low, and maybe lower, And some …”
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Naam: Uber, Lyft, and WeWork burned more capital than cleantech
“If you look at, you know, some real darlings of The tech VC world, companies like Uber, or Lyft, or WeWork, you see companies that have burned through an enormous amount of capital, far more than most cleantech companies ever have or ever will.”
Disclosure
Ramez Naam: Portfolio company ESS went public before achieving commercial scale
“ESS, you know, my portfolio just went public two weeks ago now when we're recording this, and they've got a commercial product, but they haven't certainly hit commercial scale at this point.”
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Naam: Addressing climate change requires $100 trillion in infrastructure turnover
“Or the early stages, honestly, of a hundred trillion dollar clean energy revolution, essentially. We're going to turn over, that sounds like it's just a made-up number, but when you actually look at the infrastructure turnover we need to address climate change…”
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Naam: Cleantech VC funding dropped 4x to 5x between 2008 and 2015
“We saw this retrenchment of venture capital, and maybe it peaked around 2008, something like that, and by 2015, the dollars flowing per year had dropped by a factor of four or five, and especially for the earliest stage deals.”