DOE Loan Programs Office

10 statements across 5 episodes · 3 bullish · 2 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Jan 10, 2022 by Jigar Shah · across every show →

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Jan 10, 2022 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shah: Wall Street banks admit DOE loan diligence is harder than theirs
“When I go to New York and talk to the big money center banks on Wall Street, they Often we'll say that the process of going through the loan programs office is as hard or harder than going through their process, and therefore, if someone successfully gets thro…”
Jigar Shah Jan 10, 2022 ▶ 28:11 Inside the Energy Department's loan deal to back hydrogen
Jan 10, 2022 neutral
Disclosure
Shah: DOE Loan Programs Office backs misunderstood technologies, not binary risk
“We're not supposed to get involved in stuff that truly has binary risk associated with it. We're supposed to get involved where, you know, things are misunderstood.”
Jigar Shah Jan 10, 2022 ▶ 21:07 Inside the Energy Department's loan deal to back hydrogen
Jan 10, 2022 neutral
Disclosure
Shah: DOE Loan Programs Office provides market-rate debt, not subsidies
“I mean, in general, we're a liquidity instrument. We're not, A subsidy instrument, right? So maybe our interest rates are more competitive than commercial debt might be, but that's not intended to be a subsidy. It's intended to be you know, market rate debt”
Jigar Shah Jan 10, 2022 ▶ 19:26 Inside the Energy Department's loan deal to back hydrogen
Jan 10, 2022 negative
Insight
Shah: Climate tech startups understand equity but are unequipped for debt
“The vast majority of companies like Monolith that come into the loan programs office are experts at equity and not really well staffed on debt. And they don't really think debt, they think equity. And as a result, they think, The grass is always greener, and t…”
Jigar Shah Jan 10, 2022 ▶ 27:01 Inside the Energy Department's loan deal to back hydrogen
Jan 10, 2022 negative
Opinion
Shah: Getting tire giants to sign clean offtake contracts requires an act of God
“One thing with Goodyear and Michelin that I've found fascinating is that, and they're all good people, but like, they have a venture capital arm, right? And they have like, contract for differences, renewable energy, electricity contracts that they've signed f…”
Jigar Shah Jan 10, 2022 ▶ 46:30 Inside the Energy Department's loan deal to back hydrogen
Apr 28, 2022 positive
Assertion Partly supported
Shah: ACES secured investment-grade rating, unlike most single-B DOE LPO projects
“This project is really well structured. It was rated at investment grade for the loan, so it's actually really well structured. Many of our projects are triple C or single B in terms of its shadow credit rating”
Jigar Shah Apr 28, 2022 ▶ 38:47 Hydrogen, meet salt cavern
Apr 28, 2022 positive
Assertion Supported
DOE issued conditional commitment for $500M+ loan to Utah ACES project
“It's notable that the LPO just issued a conditional commitment to guarantee an over five hundred million dollar loan to the ACES project, which would become the largest green hydrogen hub in America by a long shot.”
Shayle Kann Apr 28, 2022 ▶ 3:27 Hydrogen, meet salt cavern
Feb 2, 2023 neutral
Insight
Kann: DOE Loan Programs Office will not take heavy technology risk
“The LPO is really well set up for big stuff, And even there, first of all, you know, they're not intending to take a ton of technology risk either, so you have to be fairly mature and at a fairly large scale for the LPO funding to make sense for you.”
Shayle Kann Feb 2, 2023 ▶ 18:36 Mailbag episode! Biotech, layoffs, battery recycling and more
Nov 3, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Roberts: DOE prioritizes standardized nuclear construction practices over modular hardware
“If you talk to the people at the DOE, the loans office, they'll tell you what needs to be replicated and done the same way over and over again is not necessarily the hardware, the chunks of hardware, it's construction practices. It's the construction sub parts…”
David Roberts Nov 3, 2023 ▶ 32:39 The Volts crossover episode
May 23, 2024 neutral
Assertion Open · timeframe May 2024
Shah: Full VPP software integration costs roughly $35 million per utility
“Our estimates is that this would cost roughly thirty-five million dollars per utility to put all the software layers in place from the venture-backed companies that have created them to be able to, you know, actually fully integrate this whole suite, right?”
Jigar Shah May 23, 2024 ▶ 27:01 Could VPPs save rooftop solar?
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