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Black: Buying wide-moat businesses cheaply is flawed today
“That whole notion, and we've talked about this before of buying wide moat businesses cheaply, I think is flawed today because everybody's trying to do the same thing.”
Trigg: Hiring a head of HR leads leaders to outsource vital duties
“When you hire someone to be the head of HR, what do you do? You start outsourcing, I think, very important duties as a leader. You know, if I suddenly need to let somebody go, I'm not going to go do that. Or if I do have a difficult conversation with somebody …”
Ayer: Long-Termism Is Sometimes a Lazy Crutch for Asset Managers
“Oftentimes playing the long game is the right strategy, the market's myopic, stick to your knitting, but there are occasions where long-termism is a lazy crutch.”
Learning the right lesson at the wrong time compounds investment underperformance
“Actually the worst possible outcome, in my view, is learning the right lesson at the wrong time. At least in the medium term, you'll end up compounding the mistake you just made and drag out a hundred performance for many years.”
Black: Competitive advantage trajectory matters more than static moat size
“We began to wrestle with that whole idea of what is important with a competitive advantage, and part of that was it wasn't about the absolute size, it was about the direction of that competitive advantage.”
Black: Asset management succession requires founders to accept a significant haircut
“What we concluded is the best way to transition wealth is the founders have to be generous. The founders ultimately have to take a significant haircut in order to make sure that the company continues to prosper.”
Black: Debt-financed founder buyouts ruin asset management firm succession
“The firms that have failed have been the ones that have taken on massive amounts of debt in order to finance the buyout of the founder, and that's fine as long as everything's going well, but when it's not, inevitably the younger people who have all the debt t…”
Trigg: Moat trajectory investing may lose its edge within 10 years
“To some extent, motor trajectory may not be the significant advantage 10 years from now that it was 10 years ago.”
Tian: Visa's economic moat trajectory is narrowing and growth is stalling.
“My personal opinion, which doesn't necessarily reflect the views of WCM as it were, is that the trajectory is narrowing here. The story is getting tougher to believe in today than it was, say, three, four years ago.”
Trigg: WCM Used Paper Ballots From All Staff for Investment Committee Consensus
“Every single person in the room, I mean, you could be in operations, you could have been in sales. I mean, everybody wrote down on a piece of paper what they thought we should do with the next trade in the portfolio. And then all those votes were tallied up an…”
Trigg: Alpha Exists in the Gap Between Market Fade Expectations and Reality
“And it's that delta between what the market's expectations for the fade are and when they actually takes place is where all that alpha generation opportunity exists.”
Black: Investing in expanding moats makes initial valuations look cheap
“And what we learned because of our mistakes of significantly underperforming the market is you've got to stay focused on the direction of the competitive advantage because everybody's business, I don't care who it is, every organization, you're either getting …”
Payne: A dedicated culture officer becomes essential once headcount reaches 50
“You need a dedicated person building into the culture, reminding people of good relationship habits, helping people interact in ways that reduce friction, that encourage connection and collaboration, and that's Matt's job. It probably would have been useful at…”
Payne: WCM overtrusts employees in roles before they prove readiness
“We want to overtrust people before they're ready, put them in roles before they've proven they can do them. That's our whole mantra. And then we pay them really, really generously.”
WCM partners receive seven years of profits before returning equity at book
“So our thing is the own equity. We'll continue to pay your dividend. You participate in the profitability of the firm for seven years. After that, you give your equity back at book value, which at an investment management firm is nothing.”
Jerger: Documenting corporate values gives firms an excuse not to live them
“The second you write something down, you give yourself an excuse not to do anything else. And I think that's what's the hard part about our culture is it requires a lot more work Than just putting these concepts on a piece of paper. It's acting on those concep…”
Payne: WCM operates without multi-year business plans
“Since I've been here, we have never had a five-year plan. We have sales targets and we have some projects we're trying to complete every year, but we don't have a business plan for the next one, two, three, four or five years.”
WCM hires for self-awareness through personal networks rather than credentials
“There's a layer of nepotism here that's worked incredibly well. Because people are pre-vetted, and if you're hiring not for credentials, but for self-awareness for the whole person, that's the whole ballgame for us.”
Ayer: Industry Incentives Push Asset Managers to Hug Benchmarks and Coast
“Every incentive today is to Enter preservation mode, become benchmark hog, coast on the brand, and now it's really about staying true to who we are, and being different, and getting better, and serving others.”
Trigg: WCM's First Private Investment Was Anduril at an $8B Valuation
“Our first investment was in Andrel at an eight billion dollar valuation. We were also the first crossover fund to invest in Andrel.”
You can recover from overpaying for great companies, but not bad ones
“You can overpay for a great and improving company, but you'll recover over time. It might take a long time, but you'll recover. There's a pathway for recovery, whereas if you misvalue a bad business, there's no pathway to recovery.”
A valuation-first investment mindset steers analysts toward deteriorating value traps
“One is to save valuation for the end of the process. I think if you have a valuation-first mindset, it steers you towards value traps, effectively, companies that are becoming less good on the margin.”
Ayer: Understanding corporate culture boosts investment decision batting averages over time
“If you understand a company's culture, you can overlay that culture onto each of those judgment calls over a period of time. So maybe that boosts your batting average by a few percentage points, but that can compound significantly over time.”
Five-year strategic planning creates blinders and causes missed immediate opportunities
“We think about that a lot because we're not big strategic planners, five-year vision type of manager, because we think it can create blinders, right? You miss opportunities right in front of you.”
Black: Asset managers should focus on business culture over DCF models
“Our business worships At the modeling of discounted cash flows on businesses, and everyone thinks the magic is in the DCF, and very, very little of the magic is there. That's just a tool, and that tool's only as good as the input. So, from my perspective, I th…”
Black: WCM built around weak performers multiple times over twenty years
“I can tell you that in the last 20 years, I've probably done that Seven or eight times where I've just built around somebody that was weak, as long as Mike said, they weren't toxic to the culture.”
Trigg: Framing colleagues as friends increases accountability rather than lowering standards
“In fact, I have always said that a group of friends, some people have said, well, if you're all friends, nobody's going to want to hold each other accountable. And you're going to just be having fun all day and messing around. And I said, it's actually the exa…”
WCM to sunset retiring founder Kurt Winrich's 20% stake over seven years
“So we've chosen to basically sunset Kurt. That means for the next seven years, he will receive his dividend every year for the next seven years. And then that will retire into treasury and it'll be accreted to everybody else.”
Black: WCM did under 2% of typical due diligence on Clifford Capital
“It's probably less than two percent of the work that most people do on our firm. As I said, like them, passionate, good track record, probably high probability of success going forward.”
Tian: Efficient scale is the weakest moat because competitors act irrationally.
“And number five, which is really the least important mill source, I think, is efficient scale. And that's the idea that You have a very niche market that perhaps can only support one player. And if somebody else were to get into it, you will destroy the econom…”
Tian: WCM has long been underweight in high-quality Chinese internet companies.
“It's interesting, because we've been underweight China internet for a long time, which actually is surprising for me to say that, just because you think we're high-quality investors, and those are, most people will consider them high-quality businesses.”
Trigg: Four criteria define durable economic moats in outsourcing businesses
“The first thing we would look for is we want a runway of outsourcing. You don't want to invest in outsourcers when the majority of the market has already been outsourced. And that can take a really long time to be honest with you. These things are actually pre…”
Trigg: Precise DCF Valuation Is Ineffective for Dynamic Growth Companies
“For one, I've learned that it's just ridiculous to think that you can precisely determine what a company's worth. I mean, things are changing constantly, and particularly if you're investing in companies that are in growing industries with moats that are growi…”
Trigg: Buying Dell and Yahoo over Apple and Google damaged WCM
“We were buying Dell instead of Apple, eBay instead of Amazon, Yahoo instead of Google. I mean, those three trades alone would have had, had they been done differently, would have had dramatically different results for that domestic product.”
Trigg: Enduring luxury compounders require ultra-high pricing and direct distribution
“And we studied about 50 luxury companies over the course of 30 years and tried to find What were the markings of the ones that really compounded returns at really high rates for a long period? I'm not the ones that, you know, sure, there's many of them that ha…”
Black: Expanding low-ROIC firms outperform stagnant high-ROIC companies
“We prefer a company, frankly, that would have maybe five years ago had a four percent ROIC growing to five, six, seven, eight. That's a much better investment. Than a company that's at a 12% ROIC that might be stagnant over that period of time and not growing.”
Black: Evaluating competitive advantages is fundamentally qualitative, not quantitative
“Kurt came from an engineering background, so he was trying to quantify a subjective process, and he saw everything through numbers, and if you ask Kurt now, he'd say, even though I'm an engineer and I get numbers, and it's not about that, the competitive advan…”
Black: Cross-Shareholdings and Opaque Cultures Make Japan Hard for Growth Investing
“You know, there's a lot of, you know, you still have the cross ownership of shares. You know, you still have a very paternalistic society and paternalistic companies. They're not very transparent, so it's very difficult for us to find names for that reason in …”
Black: DCF models provide zero competitive advantage for investors
“Most people spend 95% of their time crunching numbers, running DCF models, which by the way, has zero competitive advantage, because you have thousands upon thousands of people doing the same work.”
Jerger: Treating mistakes as survivable makes employees report errors earlier
“When you
Treat mistakes like that.
You tell people that they're survivable.
And then when they believe that, they tell you the truth.
They tell you it earlier.
And then when they tell you the truth about anything, we just solve problems faster and better.”
A single WCM employee migrated Salesforce to HubSpot in under three months
“We had some outside consultants that told us it was going to take, I don't know, Two years to get migrated and all the relational connections between the data. He did it with very little help in less than two and a half or three months.”
Non-punitive mistake handling turns a six-person compliance team into a hundred
“When you expand that scope out to the whole firm, you essentially turn your compliance team of five to six to a compliance team of a hundred.
You have everybody looking out for the firm in the same way.
And because they know they're not going to come to me and…”
Wide autonomy with clear boundaries enables teams to self-correct mistakes
“Our view is have a really big field with really right fences and let people run. This weird thing happens where People know where the fences are. 95% of the time, they don't have to check. They know. And when they don't know, that five percent of the time wher…”
Jerger: WCM employees can start AI projects without permission or bureaucracy
“Anybody who wants to take on a project with a tool that they have access to on an AI side, they can just jump in and do it without question, without permission, without any bureaucracy.”
WCM Co-Founder Kurt Winrich gave 66% of his equity to employees
“Kurt, who's now retired, owned 90% of the firm. When he retired three years ago, he owned 24% of the firm, a firm that was hundreds of times larger than it was when he started, and he handed the rest of that equity to the rest of the employees at virtually no …”
Ayer: Portfolio Correlation Issues Stem From Correlated Research Pipelines
“One of the conclusions was the portfolio was too correlated, but the root cause of that was the research pipeline had become too correlated.”