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Payne: WCM overtrusts employees in roles before they prove readiness

Sloan Payne · Sloane Payne and Dave Joerger – Why Culture Matters (EP.500) · May 4, 2026 · at 14:43

Sloan Payne describes WCM Investment Management's talent development and compensation philosophy.

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“We want to overtrust people before they're ready, put them in roles before they've proven they can do them. That's our whole mantra. And then we pay them really, really generously.”

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