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Ben Hunt

Co-Founder and CIO, Second Foundation Partners · 1 appearance on the record.

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Ben Hunt analyzes macroeconomic dynamics and capital markets through game theory and narrative management via his publication Epsilon Theory. A former political science professor holding a Ph.D. from Harvard University, he previously served as Chief Risk Officer at Salient Partners before co-founding Second Foundation Partners.

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1 prediction · 2 assertions · 2 opinions · 7 insights · 1 disclosure · every statement was checked. The prediction and assertions are the 3 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 0 are resolved, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

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Everything Ben Hunt said on Capital Allocators that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Hunt: Financial Markets Are Entirely Driven By Narratives Over Fundamentals
“I am today a strong form narrativist. I think it's all stories all the way down, and that includes the stories we tell ourselves about value, about growth.”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 29:20 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Opinion
Hunt: Private Credit Reinsurance Structures Recreate Pre-2008 Citigroup SIV Risks
“My strong belief is that we've shifted around a lot of risk into the insurance, particularly the offshore reinsurance world, where leverage ratio is incredibly high, increasingly invested with affiliates. And we all know what that means, but it's, the reason I…”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 43:43 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: The Ability To Sell Stories Defines Successful CEOs Today
“This is narrative creation. This is what makes for a successful CEO today, Ted, is the ability to create and sell a story.”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 39:04 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
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Hunt: Iran-Israel Conflict Will Likely Escalate Beyond 'Phony War' Stage
“There is a hot war between those two countries. It is in its phony war stage. I don't think it remains in a phony war stage, or I think the risk is that it doesn't”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 47:46 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
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Hunt: Core Math Behind Narrative NLP Has Not Changed In 35 Years
“Nothing's changed in the math. It's the same algorithms, it's the same network math that I was using 35 years ago. What has changed is big data, so the access to all this information, all this text information.”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 10:40 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: Econometric 'Epsilon' Represents Human Narratives, Not Pure Error
“The fact is, epsilon is just what's not in your econometric formula. It's not error. It's what you don't know. Yes, there is error and stochastic stuff in there, right? But there's also human interaction. Strategic interaction. There's also how humans systemat…”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 17:46 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: Quantitative Market Inference Must Start Top-Down, Not Bottom-Up
“You've got to start from the top down. It has to come from, this is the way I think the world works. And then you use inference as a tool to test your hypothesis and actually find ways to apply it. It can't be the other way around.”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 27:51 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
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Hunt: State Editorials Show Detectable Narrative Patterns Before Going To War
“My idea was that before a government would do something risky, start a war, start fighting with another country, they're going to tell efforts to tell a story to their people. So the idea was that by looking at domestic media, in particular, editorials, which …”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 9:36 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: Managing Client Capital Is Not The Time To Figure Things Out
“If you're responsible for other people's money, you say what you do, and then you do what you say. Managing other people's money is not the time to figure something out.”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 15:28 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: Tracking Market Narratives Uses The Exact Same Math As Epidemiology
“And you can track the density of that language and the way it spreads virus-like. It's the same math that you use to track viruses. It's the same math that you'll use to track the words and their density across all the words that are being published and spoken…”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 24:47 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: Large Organizations Lack Loyalty, Making Constant External Networking Critical
“If you're in a big organization, you always need to be looking for your next job. And I don't mean that in the sense of you've got your resume out there and you're, you've got one foot out the door. What I mean by that is you're in a transactional relationship…”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 55:40 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Disclosure
Hunt Returned Client Capital In 2012 After Value Investing Stopped Working
“So in 2012, and this was, I'm pretty sure my wife still hasn't forgiven me for this, but we gave all the money back to our clients.”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 15:05 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)
Insight
Hunt: Always Attend Funerals Because Showing Up Builds Deep Goodwill
“Friend of mine in Houston. Amazing advice. Always go to the funeral. Always go to the funeral. It's difficult. It can be hard. It can be time consuming. And it's not that if you don't go, it's not that you'll be missed. It's not that the group there will say, …”
Ben Hunt Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 54:37 Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393)

The other half of the tape: Ben Hunt's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 10 times in 4 episodes on Capital Allocators. 1 statement on the record names them. every mention, with the transcript →

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Statements about Ben Hunt, by other people (1)

Insight
Salem: Price almost always drives market narratives, not vice versa
“It is almost always the case that price drives narrative, not the other way around.”
David Salem Sep 30, 2024 ▶ 33:07 David Salem - Investment Wisdom from the Owner's Box (EP.409)

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Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Ben Hunt - The Stories that Drive Markets (EP.393) Jun 24, 2024 40m
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