NAV loans

also referred to as: nav loan

17 statements across 3 episodes · 3 bullish · 9 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Oct 14, 2023 by Ted Seides · across every show →

Everything said about NAV loans, oldest first

Oct 14, 2023 positive
Insight
Fund-Level Capitalization Lets PE Sponsors Operate Like Holding Companies
“Capitalizing businesses fund by fund, instead of deal by deal, resembles a holding company in which the sponsor can efficiently acquire and allocate financing.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 10:28 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 negative
Opinion
NAV Loan Dividend Recaps Are a Gimmick to Juice IRR
“The dividend recap of a private equity portfolio seems like a gimmick to juice distributions and IRR so the GP can ask for a commitment to its next fund. In fact, NAV lenders are pitching this concept to GPs as part of the value proposition for accepting a loa…”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 7:51 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 bearish
Opinion
NAV Loans Resemble Pre-2008 Subprime AAA CDO Tranches
“In many ways, NAV loans resembled the AAA tranches of subprime CDOs 15 years ago.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 13:54 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lenders Pitch NAV Loans for Up to 50% of Portfolio Value
“I've already seen presentations from lenders offering NAV loans for up to 50% of a private equity portfolio value.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 11:21 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 neutral
Opinion
Private Credit Views NAV Loans as a Goldmine While LPs Worry
“Private credit managers see nav loans as a gold mine. Private equity managers are testing the waters, and LPs whose capital is at risk are on the lookout for trouble.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 0:10 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Carlyle, Hg Capital, and SoftBank Used NAV Loans for Distributions
“Carlyle, HG Capital, and SoftBank reportedly used NAV loans to distribute capital this year.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 5:27 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 bearish
Opinion
NAV Loans Signal the End of the Private Equity Boom
“NAV loans strike me as a canary in the coal mine signaling the end of the private equity boom.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 12:38 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 neutral
Insight
GPs Turn to NAV Loans When Dry Powder Runs Out
“GPs out of dry powder can buy time for the fundraising environment to improve by taking a NAV loan and using the proceeds to add a deal or two to its existing fund.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 5:37 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 negative
Insight
NAV Loans Destroy Private Equity's Cross-Collateralization Protections
“A portfolio of options is more valuable than an option on a portfolio. One of the attractive features of private equity is the absence of cross-collateralization of debt across portfolio companies. Nav loans take away that benefit.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 6:09 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023
Assertion Supported
Private Credit Lenders Issue NAV Loans at 12-14% Yields and 10-20% LTV
“Accustomed to providing leverage to individual companies, lenders can now issue 12 to 14% senior paper at 10 to 20% LTV backed by a diversified portfolio of companies.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 1:40 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Late-Cycle NAV Loans Bring Uncompensated Risk to LPs
“No matter how you look at it, NAV loans are a late-cycle response to the higher cost of debt and slowing fund flows that will bring uncompensated risk to LPs.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 14:34 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 bearish
Opinion
Ten NAV Loans Cure GP Woes for Every One Value-Enhancing Deal
“For every VISTA Nav loan, there are probably 10 used to cure the woes of a GP.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 13:02 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 negative
Opinion
Using NAV Loans to Do More Deals Rarely Saves Failing GPs
“Borrowing to do more deals is the ultimate misalignment of interest. If a GP is out of dry powder and unable to raise money, the market has told that GP that it's not supportive of their future deal-making ability. Their response of using more debt to reload i…”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 8:10 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Oct 14, 2023 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Private Equity Assets Now Face Potentially Three Layers of Leverage
“Between portfolio company debt, NAV loans, and credit facilities, potentially three layers of leverage sit above private equity assets.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 14:13 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
Apr 8, 2024 positive
Insight
Dawn: NAV loans to support portfolio companies are acceptable to LPs
“Nav loans raised to support portfolio companies are often much more acceptable to LPs, particularly in a situation where the fund has no more unfunded capital, but the GP needs to grow their portfolio or they need to defend their portfolio.”
Nigel Dawn Apr 8, 2024 ▶ 34:14 Nigel Dawn - Secondaries in Private Markets (EP.378)
Apr 8, 2024 negative
Insight
Dawn: NAV loans used for LP distributions are unpopular and overpriced
“NAV loans that are raised against a portfolio to send capital back to LPs, very unpopular. Very high priced. Many LPs don't like them. They can raise capital cheaper themselves. So those are not popular.”
Nigel Dawn Apr 8, 2024 ▶ 34:00 Nigel Dawn - Secondaries in Private Markets (EP.378)
Jun 3, 2024 positive
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fink: Private equity continuation vehicles and NAV loans are not going away
“I had an aha moment recently where I think these are going to become more and more parts of the universe going forward. They're not going away.”
Anne-Marie Fink Jun 3, 2024 ▶ 54:36 Anne-Marie Fink - Cutting Edge Pension Investing at SWIB (EP.389)
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