DeFi

21 statements across 10 episodes · 15 bullish · 3 bearish · 10 people on the record · first statement Mar 11, 2021 by Michael Sonnenshein · across every show →

Everything said about DeFi, oldest first

Mar 11, 2021 bullish
Disclosure
Sonnenshein: Institutional investors started adopting Ethereum-first strategies in 2020
“Twenty-twenty saw two new groups from our standpoint. One was the emergence of the Ethereum-only or Ethereum-first investor, which was just really interesting. I think kind of going alongside the proliferation and interest that we've It's seen in DeFi or decen…”
Michael Sonnenshein Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 38:12 Crypto for Institutions 2 – Michael Sonnenshein – A Path to Entry (Capital Allocators, EP.181)
Mar 15, 2021 bullish
Assertion Supported
Ginns: DEX trading volume jumped from $4.5B to $60B in six months
“July of last year, four and a half billion or so of trading volumes. That was more than all of 2019 combined. Fast forward to January of this year, sixty billion of trading volume.”
Seth Ginns Mar 15, 2021 ▶ 22:36 Crypto for Institutions 3: Seth Ginns – Investing Beyond Bitcoin (Capital Allocators, EP.182)
Mar 15, 2021 bullish
Assertion Supported
Ginns: Total Collateral Locked in DeFi Grew from Under $700M to ~$40B
“Immense amount of activity in DeFi going from under seven hundred million of collateral locked in the system at the beginning of 2020 To around forty billion today.”
Seth Ginns Mar 15, 2021 ▶ 20:24 Crypto for Institutions 3: Seth Ginns – Investing Beyond Bitcoin (Capital Allocators, EP.182)
Sep 13, 2021 positive
Disclosure
Hall Capital Made Small Commitments to Venture-Oriented Crypto and DeFi Managers
“We have made a couple of small commitments to some venture-oriented crypto players really viewing that as Something that could be significant, particularly in around DeFi and some of the things that we've seen where a lot of that business activity is happening…”
Katie Hall Sep 13, 2021 ▶ 36:22 Katie Hall – Hall Capital Partners (Capital Allocators, EP.213)
Sep 27, 2021 bullish
Disclosure
Barth: Firm has venture investments in blockchain and DeFi
“We have done a decent amount of investing, including venture investing in blockchain and DeFi.”
Brett Barth Sep 27, 2021 ▶ 9:19 Friends Reunion – Five Allocators Riff on Investing (Capital Allocators, EP.215)
Nov 1, 2021 bearish
Opinion
Singh: DeFi protocols primarily exist to support trading useless cryptocurrencies
“All the DeFi protocols about all the financial services have been created for DeFi protocols are primarily to support the trading of other cryptocurrencies that also have no social utility.”
Savneet Singh Nov 1, 2021 ▶ 44:56 Savneet Singh – The Operator/Investor whose Software is Feeding the World (Capital Allocators, EP.220)
Jun 13, 2022 positive
Insight
Veremis: DeFi governance tokens like UNI can be valued via DCF
“Take Uniswap as a governance token, the Uni token, or other types of DeFi tokens. Effectively, they give governance rights on a platform that performs a service to the holders of it. And either today or in the future, they can give also economic power to these…”
Marcos Veremis Jun 13, 2022 ▶ 39:15 Marcos Veremis – Allocator's Perspective on Blockchain (EP.254, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.01)
Jun 20, 2022 bullish
Opinion
Forman: Secured lending is DeFi's most mature sector with near-zero defaults
“Secured lending is a category within DeFi that is actually probably the most mature in terms of finding product market fit and having real volumes run through these systems, and very low If any principle defaults on the blue chip platforms”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 25:11 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 neutral
Insight
Forman: DeFi scaling requires a DAO-to-business-to-consumer model
“So really DeFi scaling is, in my mind, a D to B to C distribution model, DAO to business To consumer. You need that kind of layer in between.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 38:29 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 bullish
Assertion Supported
Forman: Uniswap has surpassed one trillion dollars in lifetime trading volume
“Uniswap, for example, just passed one trillion dollars of trading volume since inception. It launched a few years ago.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 23:50 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 positive
Insight
Forman: DeFi instant settlement eliminates traditional finance's working capital drag
“So one, you have instant settlement when you're using DeFi. So it's not T plus two settlements for equities or T plus 20 for bank loans. These are all bearer instruments. So there's no global working capital drag from all the unsettled trades in the world. It …”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 42:52 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Forman: Banks, fintechs, and institutions will be DeFi's largest consumers
“And the largest consumers of DeFi will be banks, will be fintech companies, and will be institutions.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 36:47 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 positive
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Forman: The term DeFi will disappear in 5 to 10 years
“And my hope is that, and my sense is that people won't even use the term DeFi in five to 10 years. It will just be called finance because we don't call finance today centralized finance.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 36:24 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 negative
Insight
Forman: Quoted DeFi Yield Farm APRs Often Mask Illiquidity and Lockup Risks
“When you really dig into these stated returns in yield farms, one, there isn't always the right disclosure around the risks that you're taking, but also a lot of time the return is coming in the form of a token that may not have liquidity, and there may be loc…”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 1:04:39 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 bullish
Prediction Open · timeframe Jun 2027
Forman: Permissioned DeFi will be magnitudes larger than permissionless DeFi
“So for all those reasons, I still think permission DeFi is incredibly interesting, incredibly powerful, and probably will be Orders of magnitude larger than the DeFi that we know today.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 44:52 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Forman: There is no limit on token rehypothecation in DeFi
“There's really no limit on the number of times a token can get rehypothecated in DeFi or on these digital networks.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 29:05 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 20, 2022 neutral
Opinion
Forman: Decentralized crypto index products have limited product-market fit
“And I think if you think about that category today, it's grown quite a bit, but it still has, I would say, limited product market fit.”
Ben Forman Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 45:29 Ben Forman – Opportunities in DeFi (EP.256, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.03)
Jun 23, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Olaf Carlson-Wee: Every global financial transaction will eventually occur on DeFi
“I really do view it as where every financial transaction in the world will take place.”
Olaf Carlson-Wee Jun 23, 2022 ▶ 47:02 Olaf Carlson-Wee – The Future of Crypto (EP.257, Crypto for Institutions 2 – EP.04)
Jun 23, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Coupling offline collateral with DeFi will unlock a 100x market expansion
“If we can couple offline collateral and assets with DeFi, it's at least a 10 X, probably closer to a hundred X unlock from where DeFi is today.”
Olaf Carlson-Wee Jun 23, 2022 ▶ 47:35 Olaf Carlson-Wee – The Future of Crypto (EP.257, Crypto for Institutions 2 – EP.04)
Jul 7, 2022 bearish
Opinion
Bozman: Much of DeFi has been Ponzi games offering unsustainable yields
“I think a lot of DeFi has kind of been these like Ponzi games where, you know, you have these really high yields and this tends to be kind of what gets press attention.”
Regan Bozman Jul 7, 2022 ▶ 32:00 Regan Bozman – Defensible Moats in Crypto at Lattice Capital (Manager Meetings, 34)
Aug 4, 2022 bullish
Assertion Supported
Garg: DeFi protocols like Maker and Aave did not fail in 2022
“DeFi worked. DeFi didn't fail here. Maker is still going. Frax is still going. Ethereum is producing blocks. You can send money around using stable coins. You can still take money out of Aave. All the systems that are designed to be over collateralized and res…”
Avichal Garg Aug 4, 2022 ▶ 19:26 Avichal Garg – Programmer-Centric Crypto Investing at Electric (Manager Meetings, EP.34)
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