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GPT-6 & OpenAI’s Comeback, Hugging Face Attack Debate, Ballmer’s Scandalous Legacy
- ▶ 13:52 Ranjan Roy Well, certainly there's been like ramp data, but around, uh, Codex starting to close the gap again with Claude Code.
Why The AI Bubble Will Burst: The Most Logical Case — With Paul Kedrosky
- ▶ 52:19 Paul Kedrosky So harnesses like, you know, cloud code, like codex, which I think is being renamed, but anyways, codex, like open code or whatever, all of these increasingly are like, the analogy I use is, is it's kind of, uh,
How The AI Bet Pays Off + AI Lab Strategy Game — With David Cahn
- ▶ 10:47 Alex Kantrowitz Anthropic went from having a, a decent sized AI API business to a powerhouse product business.
How AI's Top New Models Transform Cybersecurity (And Where They Don't) — With Snehal Antani
- ▶ 20:30 Snehal Antani And the, these models, I was reading a research paper, 86% of the tokens spent by cloud code are spent fixing mistakes cloud code made.
What Happens If AI Fails?, Subprime Data Center Crisis, How Bad Can SpaceX Get?
- ▶ 14:37 Ranjan Roy I don't know about you, but I like my markets healthy, and I think this is just a little bit of a, again, you use the word correctly, blank check, and that's what it's been for so long, and like, again, in the last, call it, 12 months more… 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 37:02 Ranjan Roy Anthropic from the release of Claude Code for, like, six, seven months was in perfect execution mode, but as we already see, that is not a thing in infinite, like, in an infinite timeline, so something has to give is just, yeah, how much,…
Kimi K3 & AI’s Price War, What’s Happening To Google?, OpenAI’s Partner Trouble
- ▶ 25:17 Alex Kantrowitz This year, when I was with Boris Cherny, who runs, ah, Claude Code, he would not confirm that. 5 times in the scene
OpenAI Finally Ships Its Superapp, Meta’s AI Price War, ChatGPT Cheating At Brown
- ▶ 7:03 Alex Kantrowitz Yeah, but let me push back a little bit because, all right, first of all, like I was able to use a lot of Cloud Cowork, Cloud Code, 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 34:12 Alex Kantrowitz You know, OpenAI with ChatGPT, Anthropic with CloudCode and CloudCowork, and those will continue to grow, and they've been the engine behind their, um, behind their growth, and maybe that won't slow down, even if the pricing power goes…
- ▶ 40:34 Ranjan Roy Then suddenly Anthropic has to default to cheaper models, even within Claude or whatever Claude co-work slash, uh, code, like even within Claude, the moment they have to start defaulting more to cheaper models, then they won't be able to…
Who Wins The AI Superapp Battle?, Apple’s Consumer AI Victory, World Cup Automation Mistake
- ▶ 4:12 M.G. Siegler And of course, over time, they've brought more stuff into it, like images and, and a few other things here and there, but obviously they, they're sort of now in the position where they need to chase a little bit anthropic and, uh,… 2 times in the scene
Mythos is Back, OpenAI Releases GPT 5.6, Apple’s Price Increases
- ▶ 36:50 Alex Kantrowitz Between March and June, Vaudit audited bills sent to 60 companies totaling thirty-four million, mostly for usage of Anthropik's cloud code, and found about 1.7 million in mistaken overcharges. 2 times in the scene
Big Technology AI Summit (full): Greg Brockman, Mike Krieger, Aaron Levie & Friends of The Podcast
- ▶ 2:20:22 Alex Kantrowitz It's a massive product builder as well with products like Cloud Code and Cowork that have taken off like crazy over the past few months. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 2:33:34 Lauren Goode So I think when we talk about anthropic labs, right, people think of cloud code because it is really your breakout product. 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 2:36:50 Mike Krieger Having cloud code not just be able to type back to you, but also sort of draw a picture or give you an illustration.
- ▶ 2:37:48 Alex Kantrowitz And it's a picture of Boris Terny, the person who created Claude Code. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 2:46:06 Mike Krieger Until yesterday, I would have said the same thing about cloud design and cloud code, where if you're in cloud code, you're like, 2 times in the scene
Anthropic's Labs Lead On Fable's Capabilities + Building AI-Native Products — With Mike Krieger
- ▶ 0:03 Alex Kantrowitz It's a massive product builder as well with products like Cloud Code and Cowork that have taken off like crazy over the past few months. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 13:15 Lauren Goode So I think when we talk about anthropic labs, right, people think of cloud code because it is really your breakout product.
- ▶ 16:25 Mike Krieger So one of the things we collaborated with labs and cloud code that we ship today is cloud code artifacts.
- ▶ 17:29 Alex Kantrowitz And it's a picture of Boris Terny, the person who created Claude Code. 2 times in the scene
AI Fact or Fiction: The Fable Ban, Tokenmaxxing, Saaspocolypse — With Ara Kharazian
- ▶ 2:51 Ara Kharazian You know, the successful launches of Cloud Code last year, finally starting to move into a more popular posture with non-technical users, and just this past month we showed that Anthropica is now the most popular AI model used by US… 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 10:33 Ara Kharazian Then, by the way, Cloud Code comes out, and then now Cloud Code has majority of the market. 2 times in the scene
SpaceX’s IPO Triumph, Anthropic’s Fable Fumble, OpenAI’s Price War
- ▶ 35:19 Alex Kantrowitz They rolled it back to some degree, but, um, but it is interesting, and as these things become more capable, if one company takes a lead and wants to protect that lead, we might see more of this, which is, I mean, we know Anthropik… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 45:21 Ranjan Roy Like, again, or it's, we've seen how dramatically Claude code users could switch over to Codex, and when you're in the command line, it all looks kind of the same anyways.
Did Google Just Fall Behind Again?, WWDC Preview, Anthropic Files To Go Public
- ▶ 0:00 Alex Kantrowitz As Anthropics Cloud Code and OpenAI's Codex take off, where is Google exactly?
- ▶ 2:15 Alex Kantrowitz The bigger issue is they don't have the codex and the cloud code competitor that you thought they would at this point. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:18 M.G. Siegler And Claude code. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 36:49 M.G. Siegler And I do think that they will get there at some point, but it's a matter of like, is there, yeah, is there like a first mover advantage much like there has been for Claude code, right? 2 times in the scene
Warning Signs For The AI Boom, Anthropic Passes OpenAI, Robinhood’s AI Trading
- ▶ 4:56 Ranjan Roy Everyone was in the command line, you know, cranking out whatever they wanted in Claude code and then Codex, and now everyone's recognizing that, oh, wait, maybe that's not how it should work. 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 23:54 Alex Kantrowitz Given that Claude code really only got good in November, it's entirely unsurprising that a budget set in 2025 may have failed to predict demand for that tool in 2026.
- ▶ 42:56 Alex Kantrowitz And it's largely come on the back of Cloud Code.
Predicting the SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic IPOs — With Dick Costolo
- ▶ 16:44 Dick Costolo And six months later with agent decoding and codex and cloud code and et cetera, they're like, 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 19:36 Dick Costolo You know, they weren't, they weren't even initially gonna release Claude Code. 3 times in the scene
The Right Way To Build AI Agents — With NVIDIA's Adel El Hallak and ServiceNow's Joe Davis
- ▶ 2:21 Alex Kantrowitz But if you think about the brand names, people say Claude Code, Cowork, um, they don't say a combination or a medley of your favorite models working together, so is that a specific instance with ServiceNow or is that just the way these… 2 times in the scene
Is OpenAI Ready To IPO?, The Datacenters in Space Myth, The Kids Boo AI
- ▶ 23:56 Alex Kantrowitz And, you know, that we don't know whether the codecs and cloud codes are going to be that type of mainstream use or whether there are another flash in the pan. 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 29:07 Ranjan Roy This article specifically references this time period of the last six months is that Claude Code kind of gets released and starts picking up.
How AI Changes Society, And Society Changes AI — With Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe
- ▶ 40:55 Alex Kantrowitz 43, uh, Boris Turney, the head of Claude Code, who I'm gonna speak with tomorrow, I think he's 37.
Claude Code Head Boris Cherny: Insane Growth, Tokenmaxxing, AI Agents' Next Frontier
- ▶ 0:04 Boris Cherny Quad code is a hundred percent written by quad code. 6 times in the scene
- ▶ 1:18 Alex Kantrowitz So let's talk a little bit to begin with about the growth of Cloud Claude Code. 6 times in the scene
- ▶ 5:48 Alex Kantrowitz Kind of alongside this product. 12 times in the scene
- ▶ 9:16 Alex Kantrowitz And so, correct me if I'm wrong, but the, the use cases here have gone from developers hooking into it, and writing code with cloud code, and we've seen this explosion, I guess, largely driven by them, but then by a secondary force, by,… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:39 Boris Cherny And I think the, the last number that we reported is the, the amount of code written per engineer at Anthropic has grown something like 250% since we introduced Claude code.
- ▶ 18:11 Alex Kantrowitz I think Cloud Code and Cloud Cowork have both been pretty great for my business. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 22:08 Alex Kantrowitz And, um, look, I, I think that when we see something grow as fast as Cloud Code has grown, and as fast as, as fast as Anthropic has grown, um, it's good to just kind of talk this stuff through, and, and it's good to hear your perspective.
- ▶ 26:32 Boris Cherny Like, engineers started using quad code like a year and a half ago. 10 times in the scene
- ▶ 29:54 Alex Kantrowitz And then five minutes later, you're on your phone as the AI does the work, and that was my experience with code and co-work. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 31:33 Alex Kantrowitz Like, when I see people say, I've given Cloud Code a shot, but I'm, I'm kind of done with it. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 34:58 Boris Cherny Um, so, you know, for quad code, the growth is accelerating.
- ▶ 36:37 Alex Kantrowitz And we're back here on Big Technology Podcast with Boris Cherny, the head of Cloud Code at Anthropic.
- ▶ 37:23 Boris Cherny We're thinking about a few things for quad code and for co-work. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 39:40 Boris Cherny One of the cool things about quad, and this is something that we started to see pretty early with quad code users, is actually very few people nowadays run one quad code at a time. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 43:13 Boris Cherny We're starting to see this also for forward deployed engineers that are using Claude code to build implementations. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 47:30 Alex Kantrowitz I think that, um, when you think about these different software companies, though, if you're using a cloud code, uh, do the most almost kind of blend away, because you could potentially be in this, like, one app that is interfacing with… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 50:35 Boris Cherny When I look at the way that quad code is, uh, written, a hundred percent of quad code is written using quad code. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 52:34 Boris Cherny I would put out an offer to Jan if he wants to sit down and quad code together for an hour, I'd love to show him.
- ▶ 55:01 Alex Kantrowitz Um, the argument that this is a fever dream is that, um, maybe people just want simple interfaces, and they don't mind tapping through things, and, you know, speaking in a cloud code feels a little bit too techy. 5 times in the scene
Satya Nadella’s OpenAI Concerns, Google’s Next AI Model, The AI Monet Prank
- ▶ 0:09 Alex Kantrowitz Is it going to compete with Codex and Claude Code?
- ▶ 10:42 Ranjan Roy Now GitHub Copilot is not, or even Microsoft is cutting back Claude code licenses they're supporting and forcing people to use GitHub Copilot.
- ▶ 38:40 Alex Kantrowitz Before we move on, uh, I want to let folks know Boris Cherney, the head of Claude Code, is coming on the show next Wednesday.
- ▶ 39:46 Alex Kantrowitz I thought this might be a moment for Google to follow the codex and cloud code path, but it doesn't seem like that's what's going to happen.
The Allure of AI Love + Does Anyone Want AI Wearables? — With Joanna Stern
- ▶ 38:21 Joanna Stern Claude Cowork or Claude Code.
The Unlikely Anthropic & SpaceX Marriage, OpenAI Trial Revelations, AI Layoffs Or Cope?
- ▶ 5:26 Alex Kantrowitz Um, and has sort of now following Anthropic in this, you know, sort of code model with Codex, uh, as Anthropic has Cloud Code, and we're going to get into the demand about Cloud Code in a moment. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 10:22 Ranjan Roy And it was everyone's first kind of foray into Claude code and Claude code and, you know, autonomous knowledge work products like writer.
- ▶ 17:05 Ranjan Roy And that's, again, when Claude Code was kind of in a league of its own, and there was no competition.
- ▶ 25:44 Ranjan Roy And like, I mean, even within the industry, everyone you talk to, like everyone talks about like seeing the power of Claude and Claude code and the use case on X.
AI Agents: Mirage Or Real Revolution? — With Dmitry Shevelenko
- ▶ 0:29 Alex Kantrowitz Now they are joining OpenAI with Codex and Anthropic with Cloud Code as one of the many companies moving towards this agent that can control your computer and get stuff done for you.
- ▶ 35:32 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, and then of course, Anthropic has done this with cloud code and cloud cowork, um, which I've, I can't believe how I'm still like stunned at how much permission I've given these things, but the payoff is pretty intense.
- ▶ 55:48 Dmitry Shevelenko I think she's reacting to some to, I think it was cursor kind of advanced this, this data point that like Claude Code was subsidizing, um, you know, a subscription tier.
OpenAI’s User Growth Miss, Musk vs. Altman In Court, Prediction Market Ban
- ▶ 16:37 Alex Kantrowitz Look, I, I think the reason why I'm bringing this up and the reason why I wanted to start the show this way is because, well, we have, of course, these, this concrete data point from, uh, OpenAI, uh, but obviously everybody is, every…
- ▶ 43:53 Alex Kantrowitz He did say that Claude Code is a combination of neurosymbolic systems and machine learning.
Apple After Tim Cook, OpenAI’s New Mojo, Meta’s Internal Tracking Escapade
- ▶ 29:18 Alex Kantrowitz The source code for, like, Claude Code leaked and all this stuff, and it's just like they're, I think it's almost like they're leaving too much to Claude, and they probably should have thought this through.
Anthropic’s Mythos Dilemma, Violence Against AI, Tokenmaxxing at Meta
- ▶ 20:04 Alex Kantrowitz And I think there is maybe some hesitance there, and wouldn't it be interesting if the plan is, instead of using these instances as, as demos, like the Codex and the Cloud Code, 2 times in the scene
More OpenAI C-Suite Drama, Is Siri Seriously Broken?, Meta’s Elusive Next Hit
- ▶ 6:24 M.G. Siegler You know, famously we're, we're putting a pause on, on these side quests and at the same time sort of maybe, you know, pivoting to sort of focus more on what historically has been anthropic strength in, in enterprise and obviously with…
- ▶ 17:43 M.G. Siegler this Claude code usage driving these, these, these sort of enterprises to sign up for, uh, for Anthropic versus using open AI and how that is closing that gap as, as you're talking about. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 20:56 Alex Kantrowitz And let me ask you, is this wise, the fact that OpenAI is going to build this super app that will have a computer use or browser use, ChatGPT and Codex all together, and Anthropic also has their own version of this super app, which is, you… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 28:54 Alex Kantrowitz They just did this thing where they pulled back some of the cloud code from open claw type instances.
- ▶ 54:24 M.G. Siegler There, there's also a world now, it seems like, in which all of that money, you could spend all the money in the world and you still can't catch up to what the leading edge is, um, and or even being at the leading edge, it doesn't matter…
Should Software Companies Embrace AI or fight it? — With Asana Chief Product Officer Arnab Bose
- ▶ 0:30 Alex Kantrowitz Cloud Code or Codex.
OpenAI President Greg Brockman: AI Self-Improvement, The Superapp Bet, Path To AGI, Scaling Compute
- ▶ 18:40 Alex Kantrowitz You can use Claude the chatbot, Claude cohort, Claude code.
OpenAI’s Superapp Is Coming, Jensen on Jobs, Bezos’s $100 Billion Automation Fund
- ▶ 26:20 Alex Kantrowitz Obviously it's related to cloud code among companies who need LLM technology and they've surpassed open AI.
Are We Screwed If AI Works? — With Andrew Ross Sorkin
- ▶ 12:38 Alex Kantrowitz So for instance, with Cloud Code, you know, I went and started building, you know, workflow tool that I use for 2 times in the scene
AI Backlash Intensifies, Nvidia GTC Preview, Meta’s Embarrassing Delay
- ▶ 55:48 Ranjan Roy Anthropic wasn't left for dead, but there was a lot of chatter about how they were just getting crushed a year and a half ago, a year, maybe even a year ago, until the kind of like Claude code and that pivot towards the coding side and the…
AI’s Unpopularity + Competing With ChatGPT — With Olivia Moore
- ▶ 14:01 Alex Kantrowitz So when I've been using cloud code and watching it operate autonomously on my computer and on my browser. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 33:17 Alex Kantrowitz I'm getting a lot of utility from Cloud Code.
- ▶ 35:34 Alex Kantrowitz What is the difference between that and like a Claude code that will take over your computer and code up applications for you? 6 times in the scene
AI Revenue Explodes, Dario’s Memo, McDonalds’ CEO’s Baby Burger Bite
- ▶ 29:03 Alex Kantrowitz Also, it's clear that ChatGPT and OpenAI see Cloud Code as real competition, and they're trying to catch up. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 50:15 Ranjan Roy I feel they have this, like, really nice story right now that, like, hardcore people build big things on Claude, like, didn't open Claude and Claude Code and, like, just everything.
Dario’s Choice and Anthropic’s Future, Apple’s AI Devices, Netflix Loses WBD
- ▶ 27:14 M.G. Siegler Anthropic's been doing well with the new, with the new Opus models that have rolled out, um, and, and cowork and cloud code and whatnot, but like,
Anthropic vs. The Pentagon, Bloodbath at Block, The Citrini Selloff
- ▶ 10:30 Alex Kantrowitz You tell Claude Claude, uh, you know, Claude Codes, capture Maduro, uh, make, make no mistakes, and it just goes out and does it.
- ▶ 17:06 Alex Kantrowitz Like, is there a difference between cloud code running, running a command and, you know, bugging out on your website and then having to go out and fix it when you're like, this isn't working to like potentially conducting a military…
- ▶ 34:03 Alex Kantrowitz Because you have Cloud Code, which, you know, I've been, you know, I've been in like, like crazy. 4 times in the scene
OpenAI Closes in on $100 Billion, OpenClaw Acquired, AI’s Productivity Question — With Aaron Levie
- ▶ 33:33 Aaron Levie So cloud code, you, you kind of, you know, type in your terminal, you tell it to generate some, some code and it goes off and does work and comes back and it's waiting for its next task, uh, for, for you to give it. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 37:03 Alex Kantrowitz You know, I've spent the past, I guess, week and a half now, just like with my nose in cloud code, I've just been going crazy with it. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 52:23 Alex Kantrowitz When I'm watching cloud code go, I look at it and I say, wait, people did this before.
Is Something Big Happening?, AI Safety Apocalypse, Anthropic Raises $30 Billion
- ▶ 9:52 Alex Kantrowitz I definitely want to get Steven's perspective on this too, but I had some experience this week, uh, in cloud code. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 1:00:45 Ranjan Roy Like, I mean, the hype around Claude Code, Claude Cowork, like, all of this, they are front and center right now, so, and they just happen to coordinate a fundraise that clearly would take months to actually put together. 2 times in the scene
Software In Shambles, OpenAI vs. Anthropic Super Brawl, Amazon’s Struggles
- ▶ 18:42 Ranjan Roy You didn't, you're, you're no longer like using AI to generate individual bits of code.
- ▶ 24:18 Ranjan Roy I think what I re I think cloud code is at the, the basis of it is, is enough people. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 45:39 Ranjan Roy Yeah, I, I was, okay, so with a grain of salt here, I think, because this is mobile app daily active user, and then if you think about the mobile app experience for any of these individual tools, like Claude, all the hype is around using…
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