Peter Thiel
Partner and Co-Founder, Founders Fund · 1 appearance on the record.
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Peter Thiel co-founded PayPal and Palantir Technologies, and was the first outside investor in Facebook. Through his venture firm Founders Fund, he backed companies including SpaceX and Airbnb, and co-authored Zero to One.
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Thiel: Lawsuit discovery proved the Army covered up reports favoring Palantir
“And then when you and then what you can do when you sue somebody is you get discovery and you discover, and you sort of discover what's going on in the sausage making factory that no one's investigated for 22 years. And there's a lot of stuff and we're sort of…”
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Thiel: Lawsuit discovery proved the Army covered up reports favoring Palantir
“And then when you and then what you can do when you sue somebody is you get discovery and you discover, and you sort of discover what's going on in the sausage making factory that no one's investigated for 22 years. And there's a lot of stuff and we're sort of…”
Thiel: Left-Wing Philanthropy Is Often Cover for Criminal Activities
“So much of this left wing philanthropy nonprofit world, I think was, you know, it was just a cover for, you know, borderline criminal activities.”
Thiel: Tech has been society's only vector of progress for decades
“For the last 25, 30 years Tech meaning broadly, you know, computer science, software, internet, mobile internet now, now crypto and AI in the last few years, this has been, this, there's been, this has been sort of this one vector of progress in our society. T…”
Thiel: U.S. military's DCGS software was a failed billion-dollar boondoggle
“There was this software program. This was once we moved from intelligence community into the broader military called DSIGs, which was just sort of this in theory was a system we were supposed to figure out ways to integrate the data across all these units in t…”
Thiel: University system is as broken as military procurement
“You know, the university system seems as broken or more than the military procurement process.”
Thiel: Trump's Second Term Will Accomplish More Than His First
“Normally the second term does less than the first term, This is going to be the, I think will be the real first term.”
Thiel: Thousands of Officials Could Be Criminally Prosecuted for Mislabeling Funds
“And I think you could prosecute thousands of these people for criminally, For the thing that they wanted to prosecute Oliver North for in the eighties.”
Thiel: Austin, Texas Is a Government Town and Bad University College Town
“This is where I would be deeply skeptical even of a place like Austin, Texas. You know, it's, it is, I mean, it's a government town. It's a bad university college town.”
Thiel: Top tech CEOs express radically different views in private versus public
“There was a incredible felt sense among all the top CEOs I know in Silicon Valley that there's all the stuff you can't talk about. There are things they tell me behind closed doors that are very different from what they feel they can say in public. And the gap…”
Thiel: Fake AI would outperform the current federal workforce
“Maybe you can replace them with AI, or maybe you can replace them without AI, and just use the AI can be completely fake, and we can improve things tremendously.”
Thiel: Students at Harvard, Yale, and Stanford Are Completely Lost
“It was a big achievement in a way for them to, for students to get into, you know, elite colleges like Yale or Harvard or Stanford. But they're completely lost once they're there.”
Thiel: Elite Universities' Function of Forming Leadership Has Broken Down
“Elite universities, I think the organizing function 50 plus years ago was you were supposed to get into the elite in our society, and that is completely broken down.”
Thiel: EdTech and healthcare IT yielded Founders Fund's worst software returns
“The two worst areas are educational software related companies and healthcare IT companies.”
Thiel: Slow liquidity causes venture capitalists to over-index on popularity
“There's no fast term accountability in venture capital. You know, sometimes you have momentum and the valuations go up and that, that does give you a feel where the things are working. But in practice you off, you know, it's five, 10 years later, you get liqui…”
Thiel: China directly and indirectly accounts for half the US trade deficit
“I think the rough numbers are that about a quarter of the US trade deficit is bilaterally with China, but another quarter is indirectly with China. So China is, is sort of half the problem.”
Thiel: US should radically reset trade with China alongside allies
“The reset in trade that seems desirable to me would be that we radically changed the relationship with China and we sort of Induce a lot of other countries to radically change their relationship with China. And that's how we, you know, and maybe that's how we …”
Thiel: Moving supply chains from China to Vietnam is a big win
“Vietnam is, look, it's a communist country. It's, it has bad mercantilist policies, but it's not planning to take over the world. And so at the margins, if we can move things from China to Vietnam, that's a big win.”
Thiel: Silicon Valley experienced a rapid preference cascade away from left-wing orthodoxy
“And then you can get this, at some point, you can get this very, very fast preference cascade, and something like this happened in Silicon Valley in the last few years. It was a buildup that took a few years for people to realize that, you know, Things were ve…”
Thiel: Ambitious students should choose tech over law, banking, or consulting
“Of the, you know, law, banking, medicine, consulting. Those are like the four big tracks you have people had at Stanford in the, Probably in the late eighties when I was there, probably also in the early 2000 when you were there, maybe two thirds of the underg…”
Thiel: Extreme optimism and extreme pessimism both converge on laziness
“Both extreme optimism and extreme pessimism converge on laziness and on people not doing anything. So so I, yeah, so I think moderate optimism is the correct thing.”
Thiel: Palantir faced zero competition for a decade after launch
“And so there was sort of an element where if you could get through, you would have no competition. And then, you know, a decade later, we still had no competition.”
Thiel: Physical technology progress has been stagnant for 50 years
“The, there's, it's generally been stagnant in the world of atoms, not the world of bits for something like 50 years.”
The other half of the tape: Peter Thiel's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 88 times in 41 episodes on American Optimist. 6 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Joe Lonsdale 65Mike Solana 10Alex Karp 3Scott Nolan 2Balaji Sr i n i v a s a n 2Tyler Scriven 1Niall Ferguson 1Nathan Mintz 1
Statements about Peter Thiel, by other people (6)
Lonsdale: Facebook asked Peter Thiel to be openly gay for diversity
“I remember they had to ask Peter Thiel if you, if he could be openly gay for the Facebook board because it was important to count for the number of people.”
Lonsdale: Musk, Thiel, and Koch are philosopher builders
“A lot of the builders who I admire most, whether it's Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Charles Koch, they're deeply enmeshed in philosophy. They're philosopher builders, and they've taken the time to go and kind of work on society to make sure our society stays somethi…”
Lonsdale: X.com and Confinity would have failed without their PayPal merger
“Elon Musk, you know, had X.com and Peter Thiel had Confinity and they merged to become PayPal and both of them were probably going to die otherwise. That was the only way they could survive was to merge.”
Solana: Scott Nolan and I distilled Thiel's Stanford class into 'Zero to One'
“Scott, Scott Nolan and I at Founders Fund, we, he had just started around that time as well, it was like, 13 years ago. We came on to build out his class at Stanford, called CS-Intyre, that would ultimately become his book, Zero to one. So all of that informat…”
Lonsdale: Peter Thiel demanded immediate execution over pre-analysis meetings
“Working with Peter Thiel, there'd be times where I want to like
Talk about something we were going to do, or talk about something we should analyze.
He was never interested in that.
He was like, just do it, and then come back to me with it.
It was just this cu…”
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Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Tariffs, DOGE & Fixing America: Peter Thiel's Skeptic Solutions · Joe Lonsdale | Apr 17, 2025 | 36m |