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BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Marcus: AI is not close to fooling experts in hour-long conversations
“Well, I don't think we're that close to a system that's going to be able to, you know, if I have an hour with it, let's say just to be conservative. I don't think we're that close to a victory there.”
Gary Marcus Feb 23, 2023 ▶ 48:41 Blake Lemoine and Gary Marcus Debate AI Chatbots
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Marcus: AI deployment will not pause unless Congress steps in
“The bottom line is what's driving it, and it's not that likely, unless Congress steps in, that there will be a pause.”
Gary Marcus Feb 23, 2023 ▶ 52:28 Blake Lemoine and Gary Marcus Debate AI Chatbots
Marcus: Generative AI Art Is Fully Derivative Sampling on Steroids
“And what these systems are doing is kind of like amazing enhanced version of sampling where you don't even recognize what the samples are anymore. It's all derivative.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 5:14 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Supported
Marcus: Google's LaMDA Has No Sensors Perceiving the Physical World
“Lambda actually has fewer sensors than my watch. My watch has a lot of sensors and lamb doesn't really have anything sensing the real world, except for its linguistic input.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 10:47 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
Marcus: Building sentient machines is possible, but we do not know how
“I am in no way arguing that it is not possible to build a sentient machine. I don't think we know how to do it, and I don't think we're clear enough on what it would consist of, but I'm not making the argument that it's impossible.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 23:06 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Marcus: Future AGI systems will require internal world models
“So I'm pretty confident that we'll have models of the world, internal ideas about how the world works. I don't see how to build an AI without it.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 29:33 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Marcus: LLM-powered misinformation as a service will soon be widespread
“If what you want to do is to put out like 10,000 versions of something on Twitter, something untrue and find one that sticks, then misinformation as a service, which is how they might call it in the tech industry is a pretty damn powerful technique. And if it …”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 45:02 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Not checkable as stated
Marcus: No companies using GPT technology are breakout successes
“So yeah, there's a ton of companies that are trying to use GPT's technology. I don't know any of them that are You know, breakout successes.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 59:17 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Not checkable as stated
Marcus: Generative image software is relatively easy to copy
“The issue there is the software itself is relatively easy to copy.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 59:56 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
MAD Insight
Marcus: Deep learning achievements are limited to perceptual classification
“These successes are examples of one thing. They're all examples of what a cognitive psychologist would call perceptual classification, and that's part of what we do as intelligent human beings, but it's not all that we do.”
Gary Marcus Sep 17, 2019 ▶ 5:17 Rebooting AI // Gary Marcus, Robust AI (FirstMark's Data Driven NYC)
MAD Insight
Marcus: Deep learning relies primarily on texture, not shape, for recognition
“Deep learning, it mostly cares about texture.”
Gary Marcus Sep 17, 2019 ▶ 8:04 Rebooting AI // Gary Marcus, Robust AI (FirstMark's Data Driven NYC)
MAD Insight
Marcus: Building human-level AI requires studying cognitive development in children
“If we want to build machines that are as smart as people, we should start by studying small people.”
Gary Marcus Sep 17, 2019 ▶ 19:35 Rebooting AI // Gary Marcus, Robust AI (FirstMark's Data Driven NYC)
MAD Prediction Not checkable as stated
Marcus predicts deeply neurally inspired AI models are 50 years away
“50 years from now, we will know how to build really deeply neurally inspired models, but right now we have to settle for cognitive science, for psychology, linguistics, fields like that, where we can actually get some insight now before we unravel the brain.”
Gary Marcus Sep 17, 2019 ▶ 33:03 Rebooting AI // Gary Marcus, Robust AI (FirstMark's Data Driven NYC)
MAD Assertion Supported
Marcus: Autonomous driverless cars can drive in Palo Alto but not Manhattan
“In fact, they can drive in Palo Alto, but they can't drive in Manhattan.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 2:48 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Marcus: AI has made little progress toward strategic general game players
“There's still been very little progress in building a general game player that can play games that require strategy or insight, complex three-dimensional graphics.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 3:45 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Marcus: AI is not close to achieving strong, human-level intelligence
“But we're not there yet. We're not even close.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 4:10 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Google's Peter Norvig estimated strong AI is worth up to $2T annually
“I asked Peter Norvik, who at the time was director of research at Google I said, you know, how much money would it really be worth if you could have strong AI? And he wrote back about five minutes later, I'm suddenly a much louder, I think. And estimated somet…”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 4:20 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Insight
Marcus: Deep learning models struggle with low-frequency edge cases
“People get very excited every time there's a new deep learning result. But it's always the case of doing better on the high frequency data than the low frequency data.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 8:04 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Insight
Marcus: AI researchers should look to child cognitive development for AGI clues
“So, where I think we should start looking for clues, in a nutshell, is children.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 9:17 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Insight
Marcus: Information retrieval fails at state updates that human-level AI requires
“If you have human-level intelligence, you can make sense of that, but if you just memorize stuff off the web and do information retrieval, you could actually get stuck there.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 10:25 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gary Marcus: No great machine learning technique exists for natural language
“And so, as a result, there is no great machine learning technique in natural language.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 12:24 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Supported
Marcus: Facebook M relies mostly on human operators rather than AI
“Facebook's new M service, which they have not rolled out at scale has humans on the back end. There's a little bit of AI in there, but it's mostly, ah, human beings, which is why they haven't rolled it out for a billion customers. They don't have enough human …”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 15:59 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Supported
Marcus: Vals AI benchmark shows LLM accuracy under 10% on financial charts
“Where they looked at things like, can you pull out a chart based on a series of financial statements, SEC statements from a bunch of companies and these systems all claimed to do it, but accuracy was under 10%. And overall on this new benchmark, accuracy was a…”
Gary Marcus May 7, 2025 ▶ 18:18 Are We at the End of Ai Progress? — With Gary Marcus
Marcus: AI Language Models Produce Convincing Text That Is Often Untrue
“If you talk about another domain, like language synthesis, it turns out that current systems can make very convincing language, but it's often bullshit. That doesn't matter in the same way in art. So in, if you have a system make up a news story, even if it's …”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 3:20 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
Marcus: AI Art Generators Lack True Understanding or Intentionality
“And it's worth realizing that the art system doesn't really understand what it's doing. It's just correlating words with images in its database. It doesn't have the same intentionality about the objects as a person does, but it can still be a very effective te…”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 6:13 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Marcus: AI Will Change Art but Humans Will Remain Creative Filters
“I think it probably will change art. I think in general that humans are still going to be like the creative inspiration and are often going to be filtering things.”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 6:33 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
Marcus: Evolution primes humans to mistake conversational machines for people
“There's no machinery in our brains innately to tell us the difference between a person and machine. And what happens is that in evolutionary perspective, anything that could talk was probably a person, right?”
Gary Marcus Sep 13, 2022 ▶ 21:06 Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
MAD Disclosure
Marcus: Robust AI was formed to add common sense to robotics
“And, in fact, the point of the company that we formed is to add common sense, which the Roomba lacks.”
Gary Marcus Sep 17, 2019 ▶ 15:49 Rebooting AI // Gary Marcus, Robust AI (FirstMark's Data Driven NYC)
MAD Insight
Marcus: In AI, we wanted Rosie the Robot but got Roomba
“We wanted Rosie the robot, and instead we got Roomba.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 1:32 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Marcus: Deep learning vision errors are not human-like and resemble hallucinations
“So when you start to look at the errors that these things make, they're not human-like errors, and again, they seem almost like hallucinations.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 8:47 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Insight
Gary Marcus: Financial markets are fundamentally a sparse data problem
“Finance is really fundamentally a sparse data problem because The financial markets aren't stationary.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 13:15 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Assertion Supported
Marcus: DeepMind's deep RL required millions of data points per game
“This is what DeepMind used in their systems, and they used a version called deep reinforcement learning. And what they did is they collected billions or, you know, probably millions of data points for each game.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 14:02 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
MAD Insight
Marcus: Symbolic AI handles abstract knowledge, while machine learning learns faster
“So the old traditions are much better at dealing with abstract knowledge The new traditions are much better at learning things quickly.”
Gary Marcus Jan 25, 2016 ▶ 20:02 Can A.I. Become More Human? // Gary Marcus, Geometric Intelligence (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
BIG TECHNOLOGY Disclosure
Marcus: Very interested in raising venture capital for neurosymbolic AI
“I'm very interested in that. Let's put it that way.”
Gary Marcus May 7, 2025 ▶ 51:31 Are We at the End of Ai Progress? — With Gary Marcus
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Supported
Marcus: An amateur Go player beat KataGo 14 out of 15 games
“There was another mind-blowing study this week that showed that one of the best Go programs, KataGo, could be fooled by some silly little strategy that would be obvious to a human player. But, you know, somebody was able to follow this strategy and, like, an a…”
Gary Marcus Feb 23, 2023 ▶ 41:59 Blake Lemoine and Gary Marcus Debate AI Chatbots
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