Grace Shao
Founder and Author, AI Proem. On 1 show, 2 appearances. The Shows tab opens the full record on each.
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Grace Shao authors the newsletter AI Proem, delivering research and analysis on China's artificial intelligence ecosystem, robotics, and U.S.–China tech dynamics. A former reporter for CNBC and CGTN, she previously worked in corporate communications and strategy consulting for companies including Alibaba, Lenovo, Tencent, and PayPal.
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2said about them ↓ Everything Grace Shao said on any show that made the record, most notable first. Each card names its show and opens the statement there.
Shao: Smart Model Distillation Breaks Terms of Service, Not the Law
“Now there's smart distillation, which is kind of operating in the gray area. It is again, not IP theft. It's not breaking the law. However, it could be breaking what is considered, you know You know, your own term services.”
Shao: 40% to 50% of Leading AI Researchers Are of Chinese Descent
“And then we see like the leading researchers really, really a lot of them, if not, you know, maybe 40, 50% of them are of Chinese descent or heritage.”
Shao: Chinese AI Labs Open-Sourced Models to Disarm Global Skepticism
“It's essentially in the beginning, it was like a branding strategy for a lot of these labs. And when I spoke to them, because they said, look, if we want more developers on our ecosystem or on our using our APIs, they need to know what's out there, especially …”
Shao: MiniMax AI Projected to Reach $1.2 Billion ARR by Year-End
“I think, you know, if you look at, I think Moon Minimax AI I think AI's run rate AR is already something like one billion now, and then Minimax projected to be one billion or to 1.2 billion by the end of the year.”
Shao: Most Chinese AI labs avoid government funding to protect IPO plans
“And in fact, some, most of them actually don't want to take government money because there's some hindrance as well, right? Like, and when they go public and et cetera on their structure.”
Shao: Mass-Market Humanoid Robot Deployment Is 10 Years Away, Not Five
“People love to hype about it. They're saying, look, human robots are going to be deployed in the next three to five years in the mass market. He gave me a rough number of 10 years again, and I believe him, because I've seen a lot of these robots. They frankly …”
Shao: Once LLMs become good enough, AI competition shifts to products
“If we've reached a point where everything is kind of just good enough, then I think commercialization is also going to be in product layer.”
Shao: Public tech equities are the best route to Chinese AI exposure
“Given certain restrictions, US private equity firms and VC firms still cannot invest in Chinese AI companies directly. The best way to get exposure to this innovation is through public investment into these Chinese big tech right now.”
Shao: Hangzhou has surpassed Shenzhen as China's primary startup hub
“10 years ago, if you ask where is China's startup hub, it would have been Shenzhen, which I mentioned was like the hub of the headquarter of Tencent, DJI, SenseTime. Now it's actually up there in Hangzhou.”
Shao: Chip shortages are the biggest bottleneck facing Chinese AI development
“It's definitely also hindering Chinese, like, you know, AI development. For sure, that's probably Biggest bottleneck because we talked about it. It has innovation. It has data. It has energy. It doesn't have chips. So unless domestically, you know, we see like…”
Shao: Compute Limits Force Chinese AI Labs Into Distinct Specializations
“What you've seen is a lot of these tiny labs faced with compute constraint and in some ways capital constraint, they're forcing them to specialize rather than compete across every dimension. So, you know, for the sake of, you know, deep seek, it's really, real…”
Shao: DeepSeek Lacks Capital Constraints and Pressure to Commercialize
“The fact that they don't actually have that much pressure to commercialize because they have enough money, he says, like, look, we have enough capital, we are not capital constraint compared to maybe other, other labs, and we are really, really focused on just…”
Shao: Western Rivals' Infighting Highlights Undervalued Unity of Chinese Labs
“I think people are a bit undervaluing this case, especially when we're seeing a lot of other labs maybe having a bit of infighting or, you know, internal mission or value misalignment.”
Shao: Self-hosting Chinese open-source AI eliminates China data flow risks
“Essentially if you self host these models or you use them through these inference service providers like fireworks, these models become yours or American, if you want to put it right. So the whole fear mongering around does the data or whatever go to China doe…”
Shao: Quant Hedge Fund Backing Allows DeepSeek to Ignore Immediate Profits
“On the China side, deep seeks people have talked about how they are not revenue driven. So whatever money they, sorry, they're not profit driven. So whatever revenue they make, they want to put that money into R&D, given that they have the quant fund kind of l…”
Shao: Huawei and DeepSeek Are Collaborating Closely on Hardware Optimization
“Huawei is working very closely with deep seek on how to optimize hardware and software and try to figure out this.”
Shao: China's Energy Grid Prevents Power From Becoming an AI Compute Bottleneck
“China's energy infrastructure side is not a problem, so if you have enough electricity and power to be powering these chips, even if you need to use double amount of energy, that's not a Kind of a bottleneck for the AI compute side.”
Shao: U.S. Quality of Life Advantage No Longer Drives Chinese Immigration
“The fact is, I think, 30 years ago, for any average Chinese immigrant to go to North America, it is a no brainer, because the quality of life in almost any major city is going to be higher than a major city in China. But that kind of, I'm not talking about pol…”
Shao: Chinese AI founders are driven by recognition and vision over money
“Chinese entrepreneurs now no longer are just driven by money and making money. They're driven by recognition, influence, and power. And a lot of them are like visionary start off with and not businessmen to start off with.”
Shao: DeepSeek on WeChat was 'game over' for ByteDance's Doubao
“Once Tencent integrated Deepseek into their WeChat product, it was like game over for them.”
Shao: Unitree controls 70% of global humanoid robot sales
“Unitree Robotics currently account for about 70% of global sales of humanoid robots, 40% of market share of quadruped robots, and that's just like a solid leader in the industry, and I think their cheapest model goes for something like 16,000 dollars, so it's …”
Shao: Manus AI agent is not a foundational DeepSeek moment
“I don't think it's a deep seek moment for China. Because I think it did not fundamentally change how we Believe AI is being developed, right? Like in the sense that Deepsea completely challenged the scaling law and what we believed in more capital is better tr…”
Shao: DeepSeek and Moonshot Founders Focus on AGI Over Consumer Apps
“I think both, you know, DeepSeek and Kimi, if not seen as kind of the top two labs right now coming out of China, both founders have openly talked a lot about management of people you know, removing distractions, really focused on the pursuit of AGI, not kind …”
Shao: Meitu Focuses on Fine-Tuning Open Models Over Building Massive Counterparts
“When I speak to the mate who CFO, which is a leading like creative AI company he was saying, look, we don't really need the most like the biggest model. We don't need the best model in that sense, but we need the best model fine tune for our use case. So we ca…”
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