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Assertion Supported
Visa's $18B IPO proceeds provided a secondary selling lifeline to banks
“That eighteen billion dollars was secondary selling to the banks that owned the company, which I think for many of them proved to be a total lifeline through the financial crisis that helped them survive.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:27:57 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa was always a for-profit corporation, contrary to popular myth
“There's a myth out there that Visa was originally a non-profit and then was converted to a for-profit before the IPO in 2008. That's not true. It was always for-profit. It was just a non-stock membership corporation.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 1:18:30 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Apple Pay takes 15 basis points, roughly matching Visa's revenue cut
“So on a Apple Pay transaction, I'm pretty sure Apple makes about as much as Visa does, because they stack an extra 15 basis points on top of the other three fees that we talked about.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 3:25:42 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa generates a massive 50% net income margin on $30B revenue
“The most shocking thing about the business is they have 50% net income margins. So of the thirty-ish billion that they made in revenue, Their net income was 15.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:48:20 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Over 50% of global consumer merchant payments now use cards
“Over 50% of consumer payments to merchants go on cards now.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 3:20:59 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa operates with astonishing 98% gross margins
“Their gross margins are 98%.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:49:17 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa rented CompuServe's off-peak capacity for early POS digital transactions
“Visa ends up renting CompuServe network capacity to send their digital transactions from merchant point of sale terminals.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:13:07 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa bears no credit risk and operates strictly as an interbank network
“Visa does not extend credit. They do not issue cards. They do not work directly with merchants. They do not work directly with consumers. They are not a bank or a financial institution. They don't ever bear any risk. They are merely a network connecting banks …”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:01 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa payment network volume compounded at 17.3% annually for 51 years
“The growth in payment volume on the network since then has been 17.3% compounded annually for 51 years.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:46:14 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Card transaction authorization flow has remained essentially unchanged since the 1980s
“Almost nothing has changed since the eighties to today on how the transactions work. So the authorization flow is exactly the same as it was, where all the auth flows upstream.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:29:14 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: Facebook IPO raised $16B at $104B cap, ranking third all-time
“They raise sixteen billion dollars at a one hundred and four billion dollar market cap, making it, I think, the third largest IPO of all time at that point behind Visa and, ironically, General Motors coming out of the bankruptcy during 2008.”
David Rosenthal Oct 28, 2024 ▶ 3:41:25 Meta (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Gilbert: Visa generates net income margins over 50%
“I mean, they have over 50% net income margins.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 18, 2023 ▶ 17:19 Holiday Special 2023 (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa and Fed independently built automated clearinghouses concurrently in 1970s SF
“Visa builds an automated clearinghouse for themselves to do settlement electronically over the network. They end up calling this project base two after base one, which was the first thing doing authorizations. This happens at the exact same Time and place as w…”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:01:26 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Amazon and JPMorgan Chase control three of five payment network parties
“JPMorgan Chase is the merchant bank and JPMorgan Chase is one of the largest issuing banks for cards in the world, and so the Amazon Chase credit card that I have and I do all my shopping on Amazon with and all my shopping at Whole Foods with is able to give m…”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:38:48 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa's BASE II saved member banks $15 million in its first year
“It ends up saving about fifteen million dollars in labor and postage costs to the banks by automating this. Just in year one.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:03:40 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa holds exclusive Olympic card sponsorship rights through 2032
“It has now been 37 years that Visa is the exclusive payments global sponsor of the Olympics. They're contracted through 2032. So it will be at least 46 years where Visa Is the only card accepted at the Olympics.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:23:50 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Industry average interchange rates have fallen to roughly 2.24%
“There's been downward pressure on interchange for a long time. I think industry average right now is down around 2.24, which is, you know, compelling considering we started at seven percent.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:57:32 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Partly supported
Visa founder Dee Hock was repeatedly fired for insubordination
“He didn't go to a four-year college. He only has an associate's degree. He bounced around in a bunch of random consumer finance jobs on the West Coast, all of which he got fired from because he's too insubordinate.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 1:10:00 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Master Charge was larger than Visa in 1976
“But in 1976, Master Charge was actually bigger. They had 7400 banks. And at this point in history, Visa had about 7000 banks. Master Charge also had more cardholders. Thirty seven million versus Bank AmeriCard's thirty one million before they changed to Visa.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 1:37:34 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Singapore and India linked domestic real-time payment rails to bypass Visa
“Singapore and India have already linked theirs up. And so, that is a method of transferring money between countries that has nothing to do with Visa.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 3:25:01 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa generates $6 billion from new value-added enterprise services
“Probably a good time to introduce that six billion that Visa's doing in value-added services. That is all brand new high margin products that they've sort of invented in the last 10 years or so that they're trying to sell to merchants.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 3:00:12 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa now has more digital tokens on its network than card credentials
“They now have more digital tokens than card credentials. That's been growing really fast. It doubled last year, their sort of tokens on their network.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 3:32:32 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Amex's merchant network was about 25% of Visa's in the mid-1980s
“The American Express merchant network at the time was about 25% the size of Visas.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:21:43 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Cards capture only $20 trillion of the $200 trillion global payments volume
“Payments, all of payments, is about 200 trillion dollars of volume, and cards are only 20 trillion dollars.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 3:33:05 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa's BASE II cut transaction settlement time from a week to overnight
“Once base two is done, and again, it also happens in less than a year that it's live and up and running, average settlement time for transactions on the Visa network go from taking a week on average to happening in batch overnight every single night.”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:03:06 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Visa's market cap tops all banks globally, including its creators
“It is the 11th most valuable company in the world. It is worth more than any bank in the world, including every bank involved in creating it.”
Ben Gilbert Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 1:39 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Partly supported
Visa spent $40 million on 1988 Olympic sponsorship and media
“After Amex declines, John and the team get in touch with the IOC, the price tag has gone up to seventeen million dollars just for the rights. That's before any media buys. No advertising, there's just for the right to be a global sponsor of the Olympics. They …”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:22:26 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Partly supported
Visa's $18 billion IPO in 2008 was the largest in US history
“It becomes the largest U.S. IPO in history. Up to that point, they raised eighteen billion dollars at a ninety billion dollar initial market cap”
David Rosenthal Nov 27, 2023 ▶ 2:27:35 Visa (Audio) · Acquired
Assertion Supported
Gilbert: South Dakota pioneered removing usury caps to attract credit cards
“It was not North Dakota, but South Dakota that first changed their usury laws to support credit cards, which is why all of your credit cards, or so many of them, are mailed from there today.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 18, 2023 ▶ 2:24:55 Holiday Special 2023 (Audio) · Acquired
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