Dec 18, 2023 · 2h 26m · acquired
Holiday Special 2023 (Audio) · Acquired
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In the 2023 Holiday Special of Acquired, co-hosts Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal celebrate major milestones, including Ben joining the podcast full-time, analyze their favorite Season 13 deep dives and executive interviews, and preview their editorial and investing roadmap for 2024.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Ben and David hold 95.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Ben and David as informed peer 4.8 Guest teaching 0.5 Guest disagreement 0.1 Ben and David pushing back 0.4
speaking balance: gold is Ben and David, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:53:17 David Senra Passionately Declares Arnault the Top Operator
David Senra makes a bold, forceful assertion that Bernard Arnault is unquestionably the single most talented living entrepreneur running a business today, rejecting any conventional skepticism about luxury conglomerates.
Hardest push from Ben and David ▶ 52:51 Ben Rejects Claims that Spotify's Podcast Strategy FailedBen directly counters the popular media consensus that Spotify made a strategic mistake with podcasting, arguing critics are missing the forest for the trees regarding underlying music royalty economics.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 1:54:13 David Senra Unpacks Cedric Chin's Earned Secret ConceptDavid Senra educates the hosts on how Bernard Arnault discovered an earned secret at age 42 about the compounding scarcity of century-old luxury brands and executed it for decades.
Ben and David hold their own ▶ 53:20 Ben Synthesizes Spotify's Content Margin EconomicsBen demonstrates sharp financial acumen by detailing how Spotify's fixed margin structure with record labels necessitated spending heavily on podcasting to build future operating leverage.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Ben and David as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Ben and David pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Redefining Acquired's Mission and Episode Agenda | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Ben and David open the holiday episode bantering about wardrobe choices and explaining why they are removing the word technology from the podcast intro based on 2023 statistics. It is a lighthearted, collegial opening setting the agenda. | |
| Major Personal Milestones and Full-Time Transitions | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Ben shares the personal news of having his first child and transitioning to full-time work on Acquired. The hosts share warm congratulations and discuss the importance of Acquired as their life work. | |
| The 2023 Audience Milestone and Growth Philosophy | 6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | The hosts discuss reaching 500,000 listeners and debate audience analytics versus growth philosophy. Ben explains why he obsessively analyzes completion rates and numbers while maintaining that growth for its own sake is not the primary objective. | |
| Retrospective on 2023 Episodes and Best Practices | 7 | 0 | 0 | 1 | Ben and David conduct a comprehensive retrospective of their 2023 episodes, analyzing the operating leverage of Visa, Costco's business model, and lessons from LVMH. They also explore how reading The Luxury Strategy helped them embrace their boutique production constraints. | |
| Sponsor: Statsig's Scale and Rapid Evolution | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | A dedicated sponsor segment detailing Statsig's metrics, scale, and rapid evolution into a complete product experimentation platform. | |
| Reevaluating the Interview Strategy and High-Profile Guests | 6 | 0 | 0 | 1 | The co-hosts dissect their interview strategy, explaining why commodity interviews dilute podcast value and why they now only do evergreen interviews with CEOs of companies they have researched for hundreds of hours. | |
| Reflections on Charlie Munger and Spotify's Audio Strategy | 7 | 0 | 0 | 1 | Reflecting on their interview with Charlie Munger, Ben and David discuss the burden of becoming an intellectual symbol. Ben then offers a strong defense of Spotify's podcasting strategy by analyzing their lack of operating leverage in music royalties. | |
| Sponsor: Crusoe's Clean AI Cloud Infrastructure | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Sponsor read for Crusoe Cloud highlighting clean energy infrastructure for AI workloads and customer Together AI. | |
| Scaling Sponsorships and Collaborative Angel Investing | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | David and Ben discuss onboarding large Fortune 500 sponsors like JPMorgan and ServiceNow, alongside formalizing their collaborative angel investing strategy into high-growth partner companies. | |
| The Historian Identity and Avoiding Current News Cycles | 7 | 0 | 0 | 1 | The hosts explain why they deliberately avoid breaking news cycles and current manias, emphasizing their identity as business historians rather than real-time investigative reporters. | |
| Listener Q&A: Life Philosophy, Habits, and Career Advice | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Ben and David answer a detailed series of listener questions covering formative books, sub-$200 purchases, life mantras, daily habits, and career guidance for college graduates. | |
| Sponsor & Bookshelf: David Senra's Top 2023 Biographies | 5 | 6 | 1 | 0 | David Senra of the Founders podcast joins to present his top 2023 business biographies. Senra delivers energetic, detailed masterclasses on Brunello Cucinelli, Daniel Ludwig, Bernard Arnault, and Sol Price, providing deep biographical insights. | |
| Extended Holiday Carve-Outs and Recommendations | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | The episode wraps up with extended holiday carve-outs including smart composters, TV shows, baby strollers, and heartfelt thank-yous to editor Steven, collaborators, and the community. |
Statements from this episode (27)
Gilbert: Only four of 14 Acquired episodes in 2023 covered tech companies
“Four of the 14 episodes we did this year were technology companies.”
Gilbert transitions to venture partner at PSL to focus full-time on Acquired
“And the way it's going to work, I'm transitioning to a venture partner at PSL, at Pioneer Square Labs here in Seattle, so still get to keep my board seats, which I think keeps me sharp for the show, and stay a friend of the family there, so I'm excited to sort…”
Rosenthal: Acquired reached 500,000 listeners in 2023
“Yes, so the big news, we hit half a million listeners this year, which is pretty wild.”
Rosenthal: Studying non-tech giants is more valuable than tech case studies
“Is that those stories and studying the LVMHs, the Costcos, the Nikes of the world, if anything, that's like even more important than studying the great technology companies for building a great technology company.”
Gilbert: Visa generates net income margins over 50%
“I mean, they have over 50% net income margins.”
Gilbert: Lab-grown diamonds will plunge in cost while mined diamonds hold value
“We are only going to get better Moore's Law style at creating lab-grown diamonds, and so they will asymptotically approach zero. Maybe not zero, but some number. Every year, presumably, they should get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, whereas for something whe…”
Gilbert: Acquired will release the same or fewer episodes after going full-time
“People ask, what's gonna be different for Acquired when you go full-time? Are you doing way more episodes? No, absolutely not. We're gonna make the same number or fewer of even better episodes.”
Rosenthal: Acquired's LVMH Episode Completely Changed the Show
“I think LVMH, that episode alone, I think, completely changed, acquired.”
Gilbert: Acquired special interview episodes consistently underperformed core season episodes
“Every single time we did a special, it had less downloads than the most recent season episode we did, which is crazy. Never once was a special our biggest episode ever.”
Gilbert: Spinoff ACQ2 has one-tenth the distribution of Acquired
“ACQ-DOO is awesome, but it has one 10th the distribution of Acquired.”
Gilbert: Munger and Huang were Acquired's biggest episodes ever
“Charlie and Margaret was by far our biggest episode ever. Jensen was bigger than any previous season episode. Dara and Daniel were right around the ballpark of what our season episodes were doing at that point in time when we had interviewed them.”
Gilbert: Acquired will sell interview sponsorships without guaranteed release dates
“The way we're thinking about it for next year and some early conversations, seems like this is gonna work, is you get the next three interviews We promise you they're going to be world-class, and we have no idea when they will come out. And they're probably go…”
Gilbert: Spotify lacks operating leverage in music due to record labels
“I think Spotify in their music business has gotten to scale and has no potential to create a high operating leverage business. They're always going to be giving the same percentage of the profits to the record labels who have an unbelievable amount of bargaini…”
Gilbert: Spotify Is Well Positioned to Monetize Podcasting at Scale
“They totally bootstrap their way to become the scale player in podcasting. So to the extent that there is a big pile of money waiting to be the scale player in podcasting, they're well positioned to make it given the half billion dollars or three quarters of a…”
Gilbert: 76% of Acquired's Spotify Audience Discovered the Show in 2023
“One stat that's interesting is from Spotify wrapped for podcasters, they make a wrapped to give to you in addition to the ones to distribute to your audience, is that 76% of the people who listen to Spotify acquired on Spotify found us this year.”
Gilbert and Rosenthal to pool investments for growth-stage tech companies
“For companies that we already know well, David and I are going to join our investing forces and invest more in those growth stage market leading tech companies.”
Rosenthal: Kindergarten Ventures led a $10M SPV in Vanta's Series B
“Last year, Kindergarten Ventures, the early stage AngelList fund that I run with my friend Nap, we did a ten million dollar SPV in Fanta's Series B.”
Gilbert: Covering the breaking news cycle creates commodity content
“We very much have moved away from current events, and I think that is in part because of what we talked about earlier, that we want to create n of one content, and the way to create the most possible commodity content is to try to cover the current news cycle …”
Gilbert and Rosenthal deeply regret interviewing Sam Bankman-Fried on Acquired
“We totally regret doing it.”
Rosenthal: The best venture capitalists get calls right at most 20%–30%
“They are, at least on the diligence and investing side of the equation, making these calls in real time, and the very best of them only get it right, what, 20% of the time? At most? You know, 30% of the time?”
Gilbert: Harvest when money is abundant, build skills during downturns
“Some advice I gave like three years ago that I really deeply believe in is harvest when everyone else is harvesting and build skills when there's no harvesting to be done.”
Gilbert: Young professionals should learn end-to-end individual economic production
“When you're a young person, you should try to become singularly productive. And I mean productive in the economic sense. That you are able to soup to nuts within your control, make something of economic value, and put it in the world in a way that you own the …”
Senra: Most studied founders over-optimized for business over personal life
“Out of, you know, the 330 entrepreneurs that I've studied for the podcast so far. It's shocking how many of them made the mistake of over-optimizing for their professional success at the detriment to their personal life, their relationships, and their happines…”
Senra: Bernard Arnault might be the best active entrepreneur globally
“I highly suspect he might be the best entrepreneur on the planet that's still operating and running his company right now. And if you think about the fact that he knows everything down from the tiniest details, which there's crazy stories about this, to the bi…”