NZS Capital

18 statements across 1 episodes · 8 bullish · 3 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Nov 3, 2021 by John Bathgate · said 77 times in 15 episodes since 2021 · across every show →

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Everything said about NZS Capital, oldest first

Nov 3, 2021
Insight
Bathgate: Investors should avoid extractive moats reliant on price-hiking lock-in
“One of the things that we're careful about is like looking for companies where, you know, part of their moat is kind of you know, inserting themselves into the value chain or into their you know, their customers, you know, share of wallet basically, where they…”
John Bathgate Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 19:37 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 negative
Insight
Johns: Investment 'conviction' is just a synonym for overconfidence and sunk-cost bias
“We use conviction as a synonym for overconfidence. I think that's what Really is the right way to, that's the right way to think about it. Conviction for us means, hey, I've done a ton of work, so I've got a lot of sunk costs, which means I've got bias, and I …”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 41:53 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 bullish
Disclosure
NZS Capital: Microsoft and TSMC anchor resilient portfolio with ~10% turnover
“And so this would be a company like companies we own in the head of the portfolio, be someone like a Microsoft or a TSMC where we're not looking for like value stocks or kind of like cheap companies. We're looking for companies that are healthy growers that we…”
John Bathgate Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 17:32 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021
Insight
Johns: Investing should prioritize biological resilience over predicting the future
“You know, it's really more about resilience than it is about predicting the future. And it's about adaptability. Like biology doesn't really care that much about the future. They care about adapting to this wide range of futures, right? Like my bees don't real…”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 11:40 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 positive
Insight
Johns: Texas Instruments' moat is decades of catalog breadth, not technical superiority
“They're very hard to replicate, not because what they're doing so technically hard, it's hard, but it's because the breadth of what they have would take you decades to recreate.”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 56:17 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 positive
Insight
Johns: Watershed research insights require wandering through 90% wasted time
“And the way we think about it is we can wander around not knowing what we're doing and waste 90% of that time. And 10% might be really useful and one percent might be absolutely watershed. And that's really all we're looking for. But you can't ever just get to…”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 1:54:27 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021
Insight
Johns: Emergent behavior makes exact future predictions useless
“We don't know how the future is going to unfold because the system is interacting together, and it creates what's called emergent behavior, and emergent behavior makes predicting useless in most cases, and we can have guidelines and heuristics, and those are a…”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 9:09 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 bullish
Disclosure
Bathgate: NZS Capital holds roughly one-third of its portfolio in semiconductors
“We have about a third of the portfolio in, in semis.”
John Bathgate Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 56:59 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 positive
Insight
Johns: Leaving money on the table maximizes long-term total value
“When you leave money on the table, what you're doing is you're creating goodwill for your customers and you're buying the company duration, which is oftentimes the way to maximize total value, right?”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 1:50:20 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021
Disclosure
Johns: NZS holds ~15 resilient names and ~40 optionality names
“So we concentrate resilience. That's about 15 names and just over half the portfolio. And then we distribute optionality. So that's about 40 names. Also just under half the portfolio. Max position size one and a half. And in the middle is between one and a hal…”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 27:38 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 neutral
Disclosure
Bathgate: TSMC never exceeds a 10% portfolio position due to geopolitical risk
“I mean, I guess it'll never be our, like, a 10% position for that reason as there is always this risk”
John Bathgate Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 1:25:29 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 positive
Insight
Johns: Investing is inherently a team sport because teams counter bias
“We think investing is inherently a team sport. It's a terrible solo sport for the most part. And the way we view team is our role is calling out bias in each other.”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 45:00 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021
Disclosure
Bathgate: NZS targets a 30% hit rate on optionality investments
“What we're really playing for in the optionality, half the portfolio is asymmetry. And really it's not about batting average. Like it's okay if we're only right. 30% of the time, which is not intuitive at all for public markets investors.”
John Bathgate Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 39:26 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 bearish
Disclosure
Johns: NZS Capital intentionally holds zero Chinese technology stocks
“We've owned China tech for a long time, but when we put this portfolio together at the end of twenty-nineteen it just looked Sketchy to us, honestly. I don't know what there's a lot for lack of a better word. And so we own zero, zero China tech.”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 1:27:41 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 positive
Disclosure
Bathgate: NZS Capital holds Texas Instruments for its decentralized culture
“Some companies in the portfolio we admire that, that do that would be someone like Texas Instruments where they have a really decentralized Culture and they actually push responsibility and decision-making down into kind of the deeper parts of the organization…”
John Bathgate Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 15:58 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021
Insight
Johns: Expensive valuations force investors to make predictions
“Valuation is a key piece. And this is the piece that we get every day as public investors and valuations, expensive valuations force predictions. I have to believe a lot more at 10 times sales than I do at 10 times earnings, right?”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 52:41 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 positive
Disclosure
Johns: NZS Capital publicly publishes all internal research online
“We do try to write a lot. We put it all on the internet immediately. It is everything that we use internally. Nothing's held back because we know when we put it back, when we put it out there, we're going to get more value back.”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 1:55:58 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Nov 3, 2021 bearish
Opinion
Johns: Zoom looks more like a feature than a platform
“With a company like Zoom, which we never owned because, you know, I don't know, this bad call. It looks a lot to us like a feature, and then, so now the question is, can it become a product and eventually maybe a platform?”
Brinton Johns Nov 3, 2021 ▶ 51:59 Complexity Investing & Semiconductors with NZS Capital (Extended Cut) · Acquired
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