Mars, Incorporated

also referred to as: mars · mars incorporated

includes Mars UK, Mars Snacking

44 statements across 1 episodes · 16 bullish · 0 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Dec 16, 2024 by Ben Gilbert · said 116 times in 6 episodes since 2022 · across every show →

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Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Partly supported
Mars lobbied retailers to place candy displays at supermarket checkout registers
“And what they did with that information was they launched an all-out initiative to lobby merchants to put candy displays near the cash registers, which didn't happen until that point in history and is now ubiquitous.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:34:48 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Mars surpassed Hershey as America's top candy maker in 1973
“And as a result, in 1973, the combined Mars, which is all of the legacy Mars Inc. Products, Snickers, Milky Way, Three Musketeers, et cetera, plus M&M's, passes all of Hershey to become the number one candy company in America.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:45:04 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Partly supported
Mars owns 3,000 veterinary clinic locations, representing 8% of US clinics
“Mars owns 3000 locations out of 35 to 40,000 vets in the US. So that's like eight percent of vets.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:15:15 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars became Hershey's largest chocolate customer during the 1920s
“So very quickly, Mars becomes Hershey's biggest customer. They are buying millions of dollars of chocolate every year from Hershey.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:00:45 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars produced 20 million Milky Way bars annually by 1929
“So, by 1929, which I think is the first year that the factory is up and running, they're producing twenty million Milky Way bars annually.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:00:09 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars has grown into a $50 billion annual revenue private giant
“And against all odds, this candy company Would go on to become the globally famous, fifty billion dollar annual revenue, private family business, Mars Incorporated.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 13:09 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mars has generated billions in profit from commodity trading operations
“Rumors are, these are rumors, but heard from multiple places, Mars has actually made Many billions of dollars of profit from commodity trading over the years.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:47:20 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Contradicted
Mars first manufactured count-line candy mechanically at factory scale
“And effectively what they were doing was they were the first ones who said, wait a minute, if we're gonna make a count line, we should do it in a mechanical way. And so, even though all these other people are selling these one-offs locally to different stores …”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 50:00 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Mars has completed 30 acquisitions since the 1990s and divested only two
“I think they've made 30 acquisitions since the nineties, and they've only sold two things since 2015.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:36:36 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Insight
Established iconic candy brands are virtually impossible to kill
“I think the candy industry is much like the luxury industry in that once you have an established product and product brand, it is impossible to kill it. You just can't.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:25:54 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars and Hershey each hold approximately 24% of US candy market share
“Looking at the market, at least in the U.S., Mars and Hershey each have about 24% market share of candy and confections, and no one else even comes close.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:15:45 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars hired Ford plant designer Austin Company for its Chicago factory
“He contracts the Austin Company, which had built and designed all the Ford automobile plants and assembly lines to build the lines in the Mars factory.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 59:37 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Mars reduced Snickers manufacturing time from a day to under an hour
“They used to make a Snickers bar in a day, and now they can do it in under an hour.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:31:33 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Mars's 1930s pet food business generated cash to fund candy expansion
“The fact that this happened in 1935 completely blew my mind, because I knew that Mars was in the pet food business, much like Nestle Purina is in the pet food business. I thought this was like a recent diversification hedge, but here it is effectively at the f…”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:27:08 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars historically targeted an 18% return on total assets across divisions
“Supposedly, Forest had, and Mars has, or at least used to have, a specific target of 18% return on total assets for every division and every factory, which means essentially that every investment needs to pay for itself in less than five years.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:40:23 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Kind generated $1.5 billion in domestic revenue before its Mars acquisition
“Kind was doing one and a half billion in revenue. I believe almost completely domestically in America.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:09:57 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Insight
Deep operational knowledge enables superior underwriting compared to blunt valuation multiples
“Multiples are kind of a blunt instrument used for valuation when you don't actually deeply know and understand the business, and when you do, you can just underwrite better than everyone else, and you have more margin of safety in the price that you are willin…”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:08:42 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Partly supported
Wrigley achieved roughly 50% gross margins and 20% net margins pre-acquisition
“Wrigley, I went back and looked at their old 10 K's before Mars acquired them. They had about 50% gross margins and 20% net income margins in the last, you know, sort of decade of the company.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:04:32 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars's $35.9 billion Kellanova buyout is the largest CPG deal since Kraft-Heinz
“It is the largest CPG transaction since the merger between Kraft and Heinz in twenty-fifteen.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:11:43 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Pet care generates 59% of Mars revenue and employs nearly 100,000 staff
“59% of revenue comes from the pet care segment, and of their 140,000 employees, almost a 100,000 work in pet care.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:14:07 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars routinely kept manufacturing improvements as unpatented trade secrets
“There's actually great stories about Forrest, perhaps both himself, but also through Employees and outside firms he'd hire would come up with all these technical improvements to the manufacturing equipment, but they would never patent it because he didn't want…”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:20:53 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Ben's Original generates over $1 billion in annual revenue
“Today, Ben's original does over a billion dollars in revenue annually.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:08:10 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
What-if
Mars could not have bought Wrigley without Berkshire Hathaway providing confidence
“I suspect there's no way the deal gets done if Berkshire doesn't get involved.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:03:15 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Forrest Mars departed Mars with $50,000 and Milky Way's foreign rights
“He takes actually two things with him that his dad sort of gives him as he's heading out the door. One, 50,000 dollars, and two, the foreign rights to the Milky Way recipe.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:10:28 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars bought out Berkshire's Wrigley equity stake for $4.6 billion in 2016
“In 2016, Mars buys out Berkshire, so Buffett sells Mars his entire stake back for 4.6 billion dollars versus the 2.1 that he originally invested.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:01:27 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Joël Glenn Brenner is the only journalist granted access to Mars
“She's the only journalist that ever got real access to the company.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 5:37 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars leads the highly fragmented international candy market with 11% share
“Internationally, it's kind of a different story. It is a very fragmented industry. Mars is the whale with 11%, but the next highest are seven percent and five percent, and only a third of the market is made up by the top five companies. Mars, Mondelez, Ferrero…”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:15:58 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Mars generated $429,000 in revenue per employee in 1990, doubling Hershey
“In 1990, for example, Mars' revenue averaged 429,000 for employee compared to 228,000 at Hershey.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:41:57 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mars is so private it does not produce financial statements for bankers
“No one knows what their balance sheet looks like, including their bankers. They don't produce financial statements for their bankers.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:54:02 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars acquired VCA Animal Hospitals for $9 billion in 2017
“They were the largest independent vet hospital operator in America for nine billion dollars.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:06:10 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Insight
Mars lowers COGS using multi-ingredient bars while maintaining perceived consumer value
“Mars just has a durable competitive advantage in that they're selling something to consumers that they value at the same price, but the cost of goods sold is way lower.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:45:49 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
The 3 Musketeers originally contained chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry flavor bars
“It was actually sold as a package containing three separate bars, each with a different flavor, chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry, and due to restrictions during World War II, they had to cut production to just the chocolate version.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:04:45 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Berkshire Hathaway earned $2.5 billion in interest on its Mars-Wrigley debt
“So the 4.4 billion in debt that Berkshire invested Had an 11.45% interest rate. So during the five years that it was outstanding, Berkshire earned two and a half billion dollars just in interest.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:00:40 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Insight
Complete ownership enables suboptimizing short-term results for long-term horizons
“Complete ownership, or at least board control in Meta's case, is freedom. You can do things like invest for 10 years from now when it's gonna be a super lumpy period between now and 10 years from now. If you believe in the long-term vision, you can suboptimize…”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:44:49 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars financed its $23B Wrigley buyout using cash, Goldman, and Berkshire capital
“Mars pays eleven billion dollars itself, they get 5.7 billion dollars in bank debt from Goldman Sachs, and then Berkshire comes in with the rest of the financing, about six and a half billion dollars total.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:59:41 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars maintains an open-office layout with zero private offices globally
“There are no offices period to this day at Mars.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:34:09 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Insight
Forrest Mars believed building wealth requires knowing how to manufacture a product
“You can hire lawyers. You can hire accountants. You can hire advertising men or financial types. But if you want to get rich, you got to know how to make a product. And you aren't going to hire anybody to make a product for you to make you rich. They'll only m…”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:15:34 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars passed on E.T. product placement over a $1M co-marketing requirement
“And M&M's passed on the opportunity, because it had to come with a guaranteed million dollars of co-marketing, consumer promotion, trade promotions, displays, featuring E.T. Mars was not down to do that with the M&M's characters, and passed on the opportunity.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:23:30 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mars's snacking segment, which includes all candy, generated $18 billion in revenue
“Mars snacking Did eighteen billion dollars in revenue. That is a segment of their business that includes all the candy.”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:13:44 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mars paid $20,000 to suppress newspaper photos of the founders' sons
“Mars didn't like the Washington Post article, like, didn't like the way it came out, so not only did they then fire their PR consultant, they went and found the newspaper's freelance photographer and paid off 20,000 dollars for the rights to the photos to be s…”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:44:28 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Assertion Supported
Mars UK workers could halt entire production lines for quality defects
“Any employee in the factory could stop the line for any reason at any time. If there's anything that's out of place, anything that could impact quality, you know, anything is dirty, anything is not perfect, every single worker in the entire facility can stop t…”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 1:30:07 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024
Assertion Partly supported
Mars grew from $800 million to $20 billion revenue by 2001
“So during their tenure, by the time they hand the business over to professional management in 2001, they've grown it from, you know, that eight hundred million when Forrest left to twenty billion in revenue.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 2:55:24 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Insight
Brand power accrues via lifetime margin dollars rather than high margin percentages
“Essentially, if you trust the brand more, and the prices are the same, you just buy more of it over time. So you give more absolute margin dollars to that company over time, especially in a reoccurring purchase business like this. That's the way that brand pow…”
Ben Gilbert Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:20:00 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
Dec 16, 2024 positive
Opinion
Forrest Mars Sr. belongs alongside Henry Ford among top American entrepreneurs
“And because the company is so private, like, nobody knows about him, you know, like, but he should be right up there With Sam Walton, Henry Ford, with the very, very greatest American entrepreneurs of all time. He was truly a genius.”
David Rosenthal Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 3:38:22 Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
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