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Google Part II: Alphabet (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 13:57 David Rosenthal The problem was it was kind of this casualty of the browser wars with Microsoft and Internet Explorer and everything that killed Netscape, and so up until this time, kind of, 2001, JavaScript existed, but, like, it wasn't super popular.
- ▶ 15:53 Ben Gilbert The origin of the XML HTTP request is a part of Internet Explorer, first implemented by Microsoft, and used in this part of Outlook called Outlook Web Access.
- ▶ 16:07 Ben Gilbert When I worked for my high school, I could log in on any computer into my Outlook through their Web Access, and that thing used Ajax, and I think it only worked in Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 18:11 David Rosenthal But there's also another reason, and that's Microsoft, because Google was doing great printing money, AdWords search, greatest product, greatest business of all time, but they've got a big risk, which is that everything about Google,…
- ▶ 18:40 Ben Gilbert So to this point, over 90% of Google search queries were done on Windows PCs, and 90% were done in Internet Explorer running on those PCs.
- ▶ 20:22 Ben Gilbert Other than the fact that we control IE, and at least for now, that's really important.
- ▶ 36:49 David Rosenthal I think is my favorite part of our first Google episode earlier this year, that the whole thing ended up just being a Trojan horse downloader to get Google toolbar installed on Internet Explorer on people's systems.
- ▶ 1:41:54 David Rosenthal Well, one was Microsoft to kneecap them by making changes to Internet Explorer or Windows or whatnot.
- ▶ 1:57:23 David Rosenthal Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 2:02:45 David Rosenthal Imagine if 90% of Google happened on Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 2:03:47 David Rosenthal And also, it's clear, web apps, JavaScript, Ajax, very important thing, and Internet Explorer isn't keeping up with the technology.
- ▶ 2:10:12 David Rosenthal The kind of people who are gonna go home for Thanksgiving in a couple months and install it on all their family's computers and say, you need to stop using Internet Explorer right now for all of these reasons, Ben, that you just listed.
- ▶ 2:10:59 Ben Gilbert And then after that, then it really started eating away at Internet Explorer's market share.
- ▶ 2:11:15 David Rosenthal I mean, it totally liberates Google from Internet Explorer and Microsoft.
- ▶ 2:11:21 David Rosenthal When Chrome launched in 2008, Internet Explorer had almost 70% market share of browsers, and Firefox had most of the rest.
- ▶ 2:11:35 David Rosenthal By 2012, so four years after launch, Chrome and Internet Explorer are now tied for market share with about 30% each.
- ▶ 2:11:44 David Rosenthal So Internet Explorer has gone from 70% down to 30%, and this is both Chrome on the desktop side, but you're now also well into the rise of mobile, and so Apple's mobile Safari is now becoming huge,
- ▶ 2:12:09 David Rosenthal Internet Explorer is down to 15%.
- ▶ 2:12:15 David Rosenthal And Internet Explorer is basically dead at this point, and today it truly is dead.
- ▶ 2:13:08 Ben Gilbert In a lot of years, it was actually faster than Chrome, and they would go back and forth, and it really spurred Apple, who was already a steward of WebKit, and they sort of had their own competitive response to Microsoft after Steve Jobs…
- ▶ 2:13:30 David Rosenthal What the investment was Internet Explorer will become default.
- ▶ 2:14:39 David Rosenthal Google Chrome Frame was a plugin for Internet Explorer that replaced IE's JavaScript engine and pulled in the Chrome V-A JavaScript engine, and I think also WebKit.
- ▶ 2:15:04 David Rosenthal Of America and the world who were stuck with Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 2:15:08 David Rosenthal This is the only reason that IE hung on to market share for so long was just.
- ▶ 2:15:14 David Rosenthal For all those poor souls, Google was there for you with the Google Chrome frame plugin that let you run Chrome quality web apps within Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 3:01:19 Ben Gilbert If mobile Safari was the new Internet Explorer and their entire franchise was at risk of Apple saying, and we're gonna point traffic over here now.
Google Part I: Origins of Search. How the Best Business in Human History Happened (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 2:40:34 Ben Gilbert Okay, so Microsoft's got Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 2:41:31 Ben Gilbert Google's paranoid about Microsoft entering and using Internet Explorer as a weapon.
- ▶ 2:43:59 David Rosenthal When users are downloading programs, what apps used to be called, to run on their computers, Google is paying the maker of that program to include a Trojan horse payload of the Google toolbar, which will then become a Trojan horse that…
- ▶ 2:45:19 Ben Gilbert On Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 3:01:58 David Rosenthal All of our users through Internet Explorer.
Microsoft Volume II: The Complete History and Strategy of the Ballmer Years (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 29:28 David Rosenthal Spyglass software for two million dollars, and that code base becomes the base upon which Microsoft builds Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 29:52 David Rosenthal Well, hey, if you click the About menu in the early versions of Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 32:46 Ben Gilbert Famously, you know, Netscape did not do that, and so IE, Internet Explorer, actually ends up being kind of the only application that used all these Windows components, and once they got going on the browser, they convinced the Windows…
- ▶ 33:13 David Rosenthal And Internet Explorer was available as
- ▶ 33:49 Ben Gilbert Ultimately, it wasn't that helpful in creating Internet Explorer, and they spent just as much time trying to undo a lot of it, and then build the Internet Explorer stuff on top.
- ▶ 34:08 Ben Gilbert You know, it's not like they grabbed it off the shelf and now it's IE.
- ▶ 34:37 David Rosenthal It is definitely true that if you click that about box in the early versions of Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 35:01 Ben Gilbert A lot of what became the code underpinning Internet Explorer was actually
- ▶ 35:11 Ben Gilbert And two, still a lot of work to make IE after the deal.
- ▶ 39:25 David Rosenthal You can see why it was so important to Microsoft to beat Netscape, to bring the Internet in the form of Internet Explorer into Windows and have Windows maintain its role as the dominant platform.
- ▶ 40:18 David Rosenthal Internet Explorer is not baked in.
- ▶ 41:43 David Rosenthal And then, on December seventh, 1995, Bill Gates announces that Internet Explorer is now free, and it will be bundled in with every single copy of Windows 95 going forward.
- ▶ 42:25 David Rosenthal I mean, this is now the march of Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 42:36 David Rosenthal Microsoft has now done deals with AOL, CompuServe, and Prodigy, all the old online services to ditch whatever browsers they were using and bundle in Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 42:46 David Rosenthal And by the end of that year in 96, Internet Explorer passes 20% market share.
- ▶ 42:57 David Rosenthal And then by the year 2000, Internet Explorer basically has, for all intents and purposes, a hundred percent worldwide
- ▶ 43:06 David Rosenthal If you look at the Internet Explorer market share chart over time, it is the most perfectly rounded hill that you will ever see.
- ▶ 46:07 David Rosenthal But then the fourth point, which I didn't even remember at all, was that Internet Explorer would become the default browser on the Mac displacing Netscape.
- ▶ 47:50 Ben Gilbert And Microsoft said back, well, it's really important to us to have IE everywhere.
- ▶ 48:01 Ben Gilbert And Microsoft gets the win with IE.
- ▶ 58:09 David Rosenthal Which brings us right back to Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 58:30 David Rosenthal So what is Internet Explorer?
- ▶ 1:00:14 David Rosenthal In October, 1997, the Justice Department files a motion in Federal District Court stating that by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, Microsoft has now violated the 1994 consent decree against product tying.
- ▶ 1:00:54 Ben Gilbert They're saying we ship a pile of code and you actually cannot just rip out Explorer.
- ▶ 1:01:09 Ben Gilbert And it would render, even though it was an Internet Explorer.
- ▶ 1:01:11 Ben Gilbert So there actually was like, if you think back to that sort of vision of the browser is integrated into the Windows shell, and it sort of happened, a browser was not really, at least Internet Explorer, was not really its own standalone…
- ▶ 1:01:36 David Rosenthal Well, they did ship Windows-ninety-five without Internet Explorer in the beginning, so.
- ▶ 1:01:41 Ben Gilbert So, the federal judge, Thomas Penfield Jackson, orders them to do it anyway, or more specifically, he ordered Microsoft to ship a version of Windows to the PC makers, the OEMs, or original equipment manufacturers, that didn't include IE,…
- ▶ 1:02:40 David Rosenthal Microsoft appeals Judge Jackson's order, and in early May, 1998, the appellate court rules that Microsoft can continue shipping Windows with IE bundled into it, and also continue to bundle any other features that they want as part of…
- ▶ 1:03:52 Ben Gilbert Is it okay if they tie Internet Explorer with the shipment of Windows?
- ▶ 1:04:50 Ben Gilbert You're not open to just this one thing, the tying of Internet Explorer and Windows.
- ▶ 1:18:14 Ben Gilbert And the whole time, Internet Explorer's shipping with Windows.
- ▶ 1:18:23 Ben Gilbert At this moment in time, Internet Explorer has right around 90% market share.
- ▶ 1:21:14 David Rosenthal It certainly didn't actually impact Internet Explorer or Windows.
- ▶ 2:34:26 Ben Gilbert I mean, IE is peaking and about to start falling off a cliff and are completely consumed by Vista.
- ▶ 2:40:08 Ben Gilbert And at the same time, Internet Explorer had totally languished.
- ▶ 2:40:19 Ben Gilbert IE was just widely regarded as a garbage browser.
- ▶ 2:40:22 Ben Gilbert And web developers hated it because it made you write a bunch of weird custom stuff so randomly things wouldn't work in IE.
- ▶ 2:40:33 Ben Gilbert Every time a new version of the operating system would ship it just felt like it's the same old Internet Explorer over and over again.
- ▶ 4:18:34 David Rosenthal Windows 95, Windows XP, everything we talked about at the beginning of the episode, Internet Explorer, the browser wars, they were the leaders.
- ▶ 4:44:23 Ben Gilbert Thomas Riordan, who was one of the original team members on Internet Explorer, and actually went on years later to start Control Labs, which sold to Meta, and is a part of Meta's effort now to do the, um, neural interface.
Amazon Web Services · Acquired
- ▶ 1:31:55 Ben Gilbert I think you had to use IE to view it.
Howard Marks & Andrew Marks: Something of Value · Acquired
- ▶ 1:30:03 Howard Marks For the life of me, I couldn't figure out the difference between Explorer and email, but I got there eventually.
The Browser (with Brendan Eich, Chief Architect of Netscape + Mozilla and CEO of Brave) · Acquired
- ▶ 18:40 Brendan Eich Microsoft had simply killed Netscape by bundling IE, which it copied and sort of acquired pieces of through Spyglass.
- ▶ 19:02 Brendan Eich Meanwhile, they were bundling it with Windows, uh, 95 and then 98, and they got convicted in the USB-Microsoft case for this because it's not illegal to acquire Monopoly through, let's say, Merit or a sweetheart deal with IBM to be the OS…
- ▶ 22:22 Brendan Eich IE is it forever.
- ▶ 30:19 Ben Gilbert And so you had this sort of moment to seize if you had the right team where there was no legitimate challenger anymore to IE, and so you could make a real run at it.
- ▶ 32:25 Brendan Eich Restarting the market, you know, sassing your boss, showing up IE, um, showing the world a better tool for something that people used every day, right?
- ▶ 41:22 Brendan Eich Microsoft had woken up and was doing IE and finally did Edge, and this was before they switched Edge to be based on Chromium.