Amazon Web Services

also referred to as: aws

part of Amazon

31 statements across 8 episodes · 18 bullish · 4 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Oct 19, 2021 by Ben Gilbert · said 287 times in 38 episodes since 2021 · across every show →

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Everything said about Amazon Web Services, oldest first

Oct 19, 2021 neutral
Opinion
Gilbert: Spinning out AWS from Amazon would be value-neutral
“So I'm of the opinion that it, it's indifferent with Amazon. Like, I don't think that there's any value that's being like, first of all, we know the size of both businesses. I don't think the, that it's them both being under one umbrella is creating drag for e…”
Ben Gilbert Oct 19, 2021 ▶ 2:32:17 Standard Oil Part II (Extended Cut) · Acquired
Oct 19, 2021 negative
Opinion
Rosenthal: Amazon being AWS's first and best customer is a myth
“I think that's always been a myth, that Amazon is the first and best customer of AWS. Like, I don't think that's actually true.”
David Rosenthal Oct 19, 2021 ▶ 2:32:50 Standard Oil Part II (Extended Cut) · Acquired
May 12, 2022 bullish
Assertion Partly supported
Rosenthal: AWS market share exceeds Google Cloud and Azure combined
“AWS is growing at 37% annually on a seventy five billion dollar base. Google and Microsoft are growing at 45%, but their market share combined is still significantly less than Amazon.”
David Rosenthal May 12, 2022 ▶ 30:51 Arena Show Part I: Idea Dinner + YC Continuity · Acquired
Jun 20, 2022 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gilbert: AWS built a five-year lead by evangelizing to Silicon Valley startups
“AWS got probably a five-year lead on cloud by piling people on the plane from Seattle, going down to the Bay Area, evangelizing like crazy to all these startups.”
Ben Gilbert Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 46:54 The Playbook: Lessons from 200+ Company Stories · Acquired
Jun 20, 2022 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gilbert: AWS is the reason Amazon became profitable
“That's the reason that Amazon became a profitable business.”
Ben Gilbert Jun 20, 2022 ▶ 49:17 The Playbook: Lessons from 200+ Company Stories · Acquired
Aug 30, 2022 positive
Opinion
Andrew Marks: Amazon proves great founders trump static business models
“And so he sort of talks about the primacy of business model over management, but I think Amazon's a great example of the opposite because You could have never dreamed that if you owned Amazon when the story was about growing as a retailer, you could have never…”
Andrew Marks Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 13:36 Howard Marks & Andrew Marks: Something of Value · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Assertion Supported
Gilbert: AWS cut prices 51 times by 2015 without facing competitive pressure
“By 2012, and keep in mind they had very little competition up to this point, they had already done 23 price reductions across the board for all of their services. By 2013, they had done 40. By 2015, they had done 51.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:23:49 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Gilbert: Massive AWS data center investments drove Amazon free cash flow negative
“They just invested so much in building out new data centers for AWS, they actually took Amazon cash flow negative. Their free cash flow is massively negative over the last 12 months because of these continued, unbelievably large investments.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:21:40 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: Amazon did not finish migrating off Oracle until 2019
“Amazon.com did not finish their migration off of Oracle databases. And onto AWS products. Until 2019.”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:51:09 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Insight
Gilbert: Targeting startups as a beachhead was key to AWS's success
“This is probably one of the biggest keys to success or sort of playbook Themes for why AWS became successful. They realized how perfect this was for startups. They realized how hard it would be for large enterprises to just wholesale move over. They realized t…”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:22:29 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 neutral
Insight
Gilbert: Enterprise cloud providers must maintain failed services to protect customer trust
“When you launch a service for enterprise customers, it is really hard to kill it. You burn customer trust, and actually, if you think about what's the bigger risk, burning the trust and losing that customer in all their future revenue, or having to maintain ki…”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:34:48 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: Only eight people attended Amazon's 2002 AWS launch conference
“They hold a conference for developers in 2002. A total of eight people attend the conference. They announced to the world the launch of this new division within Amazon. That is called Amazon Web Services.”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 27:54 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 negative
Insight
Gilbert: Two-pizza teams caused AWS to launch a fragmented alphabet soup
“The other thing where they're sort of a victim of their own success is the Amazon two pizza team thing led them to launch all these different services. Rather than having a cohesive product strategy, AWS has kind of been alphabet soup.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:04:41 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: AWS was built to scale, not to monetize excess seasonal capacity
“The excess capacity story is a myth. It was never a matter of selling excess capacity. Actually, within two months after launch, AWS would have already burned through the excess amazon.com capacity. Amazon Web Services was always considered a business by itsel…”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 19:08 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Insight
Rosenthal: Building with web primitives makes the internet the operating system
“Andy would later say, this is a great quote, and this is absolutely true. He says, if you believe developers will build applications from scratch using web services as primitive building blocks, Then the operating system becomes the internet. And that's so tru…”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:04:42 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: Andy Jassy's 2003 AWS vision document requested hiring 57 people
“In the document, there is an ask, a proposal to hire 57 new people to go pursue this initiative.”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 59:59 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 bullish
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: AWS has over $100 billion in contracted revenue backlog
“That backlog of committed contractual signed revenue is over one hundred billion dollars.”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:52:53 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Assertion Supported
Gilbert: AWS operating profit exceeds Amazon retail despite being 15% of revenue
“AWS's revenue is only about 15% the size of Amazon's massive retail business, but their profits, or the operating income, to be specific, from AWS Are in total the same, if not more than their e-commerce store. I think it's the case that every year since 2015,…”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:57 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 neutral
Assertion Contradicted
Rosenthal: Amazon originally targeted 20% to 40% margins for AWS
“Amazon targeted gross margins and operating margins for AWS in the 20 to 40% range.”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:34:50 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Insight
Gilbert: AWS succeeded by launching unopinionated infrastructure primitives
“They truly were unopinionated about this as a platform. They said, we're going to launch with primitives. It's the most basic story. That's the most basic compute. It's the most basic way to host your databases. It's the most basic CDN. And we can't wait to se…”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:17:05 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 bullish
Opinion
Gilbert: Amazon's 100% ownership of AWS represents history's greatest venture return
“He just gets capital allocation, and that's why I think Amazon is effectively the highest performing venture returns in history. AWS is a venture bet in their portfolio that they own 100% of.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:32:47 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 negative
Opinion
Gilbert: Missing the data warehouse market to Snowflake is AWS's biggest failure
“It's probably AWS's biggest failure.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:02:48 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: Original 2002 AWS was an Associates catalog API, not cloud infrastructure
“This is called Amazon Web Services, but it is not. Cloud-based IT infrastructure. It's other developers using the amazon.com product catalog, and indeed it lives. Amazon Web Services lives within the Amazon Associates program, and that is run by a guy named Co…”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 28:32 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 bullish
Insight
Gilbert: Data gravity gives AWS an ML moat over Google's superior models
“What's becoming clearer to me is the machine learning capabilities that Amazon has need to be good, but they actually don't need to be as good as Google's. Because here's sort of the strategy with machine learning. You're gonna use whatever ML is available wit…”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:00:44 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Opinion
Gilbert: AWS is probably the greatest scale economies business ever
“Scale economies, This is probably the single greatest scale economies business of all time.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 2:13:53 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 negative
Insight
Gilbert: Microsoft and Google initially missed the cloud wave via PaaS
“And the unfortunate thing for Microsoft and for Google, who really started at this platform as a service layer, was you basically didn't get the startups because you didn't have a mature platform yet that people were excited to build on and understood how to b…”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:30:37 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 bullish
Assertion Supported
Rosenthal: As of 2022, AWS was on an $80B annualized revenue run rate
“AWS today is on an. Eighty billion dollar revenue run rate eight zero.”
David Rosenthal Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:52:16 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2022 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gilbert: AWS generates over 90% gross margins on bandwidth charges
“AWS makes 90 plus percent gross margins on their bandwidth charges.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 1:59:35 Amazon Web Services · Acquired
Sep 6, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Cloud instances cost $30 hourly for A100s and $100 hourly for H100s
“You can get access to a DGX server. That's eight A 100 for about 30 bucks an hour, or you can go over to AWS and get a P five dot 48 X large instance, which is eight H 100, which I believe is an HGX server for about a hundred dollars an hour.”
Ben Gilbert Sep 6, 2023 ▶ 1:22:21 Nvidia Part III: The Dawn of the AI Era (2022-2023) (Audio) · Acquired
Jul 22, 2024 positive
Opinion
Rosenthal: Microsoft counter-positioned against AWS by offering hybrid cloud
“Actually, I would say they had some of it in the development of Azure, because they could say to Fortune 500, we will do hybrid cloud with you, and we can be your trusted partner in a way that AWS couldn't.”
David Rosenthal Jul 22, 2024 ▶ 4:20:16 Microsoft Volume II: The Complete History and Strategy of the Ballmer Years (Audio) · Acquired
Oct 28, 2024 bullish
Assertion Supported
Meta Built a Hyperscaler-Sized Data Center Footprint Exclusively for Internal Use
“They now last year spent twenty-eight billion dollars in capex, which you should mostly read as data centers. They operate a Hyper-scaler-sized data center footprint, give or take. You know, you think AWS, Azure, Microsoft, and Google Cloud. Meta is the fourth…”
Ben Gilbert Oct 28, 2024 ▶ 5:27:16 Meta (Audio) · Acquired
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