Aug 12, 2026 · 43m · a16z

Lighthouse or Landgrab? How to Pick Your AI Sales Strategy

Andy McCall · 19m spoken Joe Schmidt · 17m spoken Elena Burger · 3m spoken
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In this episode of The A16Z Show, Andreessen Horowitz's Joe Schmidt and sales executive Andy discuss go-to-market strategies for enterprise AI startups, contrasting the Lighthouse and Land Grab playbooks. They offer actionable advice on choosing sales models, conducting effective trials, scaling deal volume, and avoiding common pitfalls in the evolving AI software landscape.

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The host as informed peer 2.5 Guest teaching 6.5 Guest disagreement 0.7 The host pushing back 0.1
05100:0015:0030:002:36–5:05 · The host as informed peer 3/10 The Sales Strategy 2x2 Matrix Elena prompts Joe to break down the mechanics behind choosing targeted sales versus visible billboard campaigns. Joe details his two-by-two framework balancing buyer exposure against proof traveling.5:05–9:58 · The host as informed peer 2/10 AI Startups and Go-To-Market Categories Elena invites Andy to categorize current AI startups, after which Joe and Andy discuss the historical parallel of the 2016 ELD mandate creating an explosive land-grab opportunity at Samsara.9:58–13:45 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Mid-Market Focus and Rapid Product Feedback Andy explains that initial enterprise cold calls forced Samsara into the mid-market where rapid feedback loops and lower social proof requirements enabled rapid product iteration. Joe and Andy contrast replacement products with missionary category creation.13:45–16:58 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Startup Case Studies: Stute, Harvey, and Pylon Elena cites specific case studies from the research piece including Harvey and Stute. Joe explains how Stute leverages quantifiable math to capture accounts receivable workflows while Harvey relies on prestigious legal lighthouse logos.16:58–21:39 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Average Contract Value Trajectory and Unit Economics Joe drills into ACV optimization and gross margins during hardware and inference rollouts. Andy outlines how Meraki bypassed incumbents by giving away free access points to the mid-market to drive rapid product trials.21:39–23:55 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Managing AI Proofs of Concept and Scope Andy emphasizes the necessity of disciplined POC parameters with strict end dates and predefined success metrics to prevent customer trials from degenerating into open-ended science projects.23:55–27:14 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Customer Onboarding and Risk Delineation Elena asks who best manages enterprise onboarding and evangelism. Joe cites Decagon and Further AI, highlighting how establishing upfront performance benchmarks mitigates buyer risk in sensitive workflows.27:14–29:54 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Evolving Sales Strategy & Vertical Expansion Andy demonstrates how startups inevitably combine both strategies over time by transitioning from broad mid-market land grabs into verticalized lighthouse motions like public sector and school districts.29:54–35:33 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Sales Hiring Profiles for Lighthouse vs. Land Grab Elena questions whether bottoms-up PLG and developer adoption render top-down sales obsolete. Joe respectfully reframes her hypothesis, explaining that PLG was an artifact of the prior SaaS wedge era and that AI enables top-down platform sales again.35:33–38:49 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Sustained Lighthouse Models & Applied Intuition Case Elena asks why founders misjudge their sales motion. Joe points to Applied Intuition as a perpetual lighthouse model, while Andy criticizes founders for falling into analysis paralysis over prestigious brand logos instead of executing.38:49–43:09 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Lightning Round: Unusual Deal Closing Locations Elena initiates the lightning round where Andy shares unusual deal closing venues, advocates for hiring sales operations early, and insists on setting achievable early-stage sales quotas so 100% of the team hits target.2:36–5:05 · Guest teaching 6/10 The Sales Strategy 2x2 Matrix Elena prompts Joe to break down the mechanics behind choosing targeted sales versus visible billboard campaigns. Joe details his two-by-two framework balancing buyer exposure against proof traveling.5:05–9:58 · Guest teaching 6/10 AI Startups and Go-To-Market Categories Elena invites Andy to categorize current AI startups, after which Joe and Andy discuss the historical parallel of the 2016 ELD mandate creating an explosive land-grab opportunity at Samsara.9:58–13:45 · Guest teaching 7/10 Mid-Market Focus and Rapid Product Feedback Andy explains that initial enterprise cold calls forced Samsara into the mid-market where rapid feedback loops and lower social proof requirements enabled rapid product iteration. Joe and Andy contrast replacement products with missionary category creation.13:45–16:58 · Guest teaching 6/10 Startup Case Studies: Stute, Harvey, and Pylon Elena cites specific case studies from the research piece including Harvey and Stute. Joe explains how Stute leverages quantifiable math to capture accounts receivable workflows while Harvey relies on prestigious legal lighthouse logos.16:58–21:39 · Guest teaching 6/10 Average Contract Value Trajectory and Unit Economics Joe drills into ACV optimization and gross margins during hardware and inference rollouts. Andy outlines how Meraki bypassed incumbents by giving away free access points to the mid-market to drive rapid product trials.21:39–23:55 · Guest teaching 7/10 Managing AI Proofs of Concept and Scope Andy emphasizes the necessity of disciplined POC parameters with strict end dates and predefined success metrics to prevent customer trials from degenerating into open-ended science projects.23:55–27:14 · Guest teaching 6/10 Customer Onboarding and Risk Delineation Elena asks who best manages enterprise onboarding and evangelism. Joe cites Decagon and Further AI, highlighting how establishing upfront performance benchmarks mitigates buyer risk in sensitive workflows.27:14–29:54 · Guest teaching 7/10 Evolving Sales Strategy & Vertical Expansion Andy demonstrates how startups inevitably combine both strategies over time by transitioning from broad mid-market land grabs into verticalized lighthouse motions like public sector and school districts.29:54–35:33 · Guest teaching 7/10 Sales Hiring Profiles for Lighthouse vs. Land Grab Elena questions whether bottoms-up PLG and developer adoption render top-down sales obsolete. Joe respectfully reframes her hypothesis, explaining that PLG was an artifact of the prior SaaS wedge era and that AI enables top-down platform sales again.35:33–38:49 · Guest teaching 7/10 Sustained Lighthouse Models & Applied Intuition Case Elena asks why founders misjudge their sales motion. Joe points to Applied Intuition as a perpetual lighthouse model, while Andy criticizes founders for falling into analysis paralysis over prestigious brand logos instead of executing.38:49–43:09 · Guest teaching 6/10 Lightning Round: Unusual Deal Closing Locations Elena initiates the lightning round where Andy shares unusual deal closing venues, advocates for hiring sales operations early, and insists on setting achievable early-stage sales quotas so 100% of the team hits target.2:36–5:05 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Sales Strategy 2x2 Matrix Elena prompts Joe to break down the mechanics behind choosing targeted sales versus visible billboard campaigns. Joe details his two-by-two framework balancing buyer exposure against proof traveling.5:05–9:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 AI Startups and Go-To-Market Categories Elena invites Andy to categorize current AI startups, after which Joe and Andy discuss the historical parallel of the 2016 ELD mandate creating an explosive land-grab opportunity at Samsara.9:58–13:45 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mid-Market Focus and Rapid Product Feedback Andy explains that initial enterprise cold calls forced Samsara into the mid-market where rapid feedback loops and lower social proof requirements enabled rapid product iteration. Joe and Andy contrast replacement products with missionary category creation.13:45–16:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Startup Case Studies: Stute, Harvey, and Pylon Elena cites specific case studies from the research piece including Harvey and Stute. Joe explains how Stute leverages quantifiable math to capture accounts receivable workflows while Harvey relies on prestigious legal lighthouse logos.16:58–21:39 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Average Contract Value Trajectory and Unit Economics Joe drills into ACV optimization and gross margins during hardware and inference rollouts. Andy outlines how Meraki bypassed incumbents by giving away free access points to the mid-market to drive rapid product trials.21:39–23:55 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Managing AI Proofs of Concept and Scope Andy emphasizes the necessity of disciplined POC parameters with strict end dates and predefined success metrics to prevent customer trials from degenerating into open-ended science projects.23:55–27:14 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Customer Onboarding and Risk Delineation Elena asks who best manages enterprise onboarding and evangelism. Joe cites Decagon and Further AI, highlighting how establishing upfront performance benchmarks mitigates buyer risk in sensitive workflows.27:14–29:54 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Evolving Sales Strategy & Vertical Expansion Andy demonstrates how startups inevitably combine both strategies over time by transitioning from broad mid-market land grabs into verticalized lighthouse motions like public sector and school districts.29:54–35:33 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Sales Hiring Profiles for Lighthouse vs. Land Grab Elena questions whether bottoms-up PLG and developer adoption render top-down sales obsolete. Joe respectfully reframes her hypothesis, explaining that PLG was an artifact of the prior SaaS wedge era and that AI enables top-down platform sales again.35:33–38:49 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Sustained Lighthouse Models & Applied Intuition Case Elena asks why founders misjudge their sales motion. Joe points to Applied Intuition as a perpetual lighthouse model, while Andy criticizes founders for falling into analysis paralysis over prestigious brand logos instead of executing.38:49–43:09 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Lightning Round: Unusual Deal Closing Locations Elena initiates the lightning round where Andy shares unusual deal closing venues, advocates for hiring sales operations early, and insists on setting achievable early-stage sales quotas so 100% of the team hits target.2:36–5:05 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Sales Strategy 2x2 Matrix Elena prompts Joe to break down the mechanics behind choosing targeted sales versus visible billboard campaigns. Joe details his two-by-two framework balancing buyer exposure against proof traveling.5:05–9:58 · The host pushing back 0/10 AI Startups and Go-To-Market Categories Elena invites Andy to categorize current AI startups, after which Joe and Andy discuss the historical parallel of the 2016 ELD mandate creating an explosive land-grab opportunity at Samsara.9:58–13:45 · The host pushing back 0/10 Mid-Market Focus and Rapid Product Feedback Andy explains that initial enterprise cold calls forced Samsara into the mid-market where rapid feedback loops and lower social proof requirements enabled rapid product iteration. Joe and Andy contrast replacement products with missionary category creation.13:45–16:58 · The host pushing back 0/10 Startup Case Studies: Stute, Harvey, and Pylon Elena cites specific case studies from the research piece including Harvey and Stute. Joe explains how Stute leverages quantifiable math to capture accounts receivable workflows while Harvey relies on prestigious legal lighthouse logos.16:58–21:39 · The host pushing back 0/10 Average Contract Value Trajectory and Unit Economics Joe drills into ACV optimization and gross margins during hardware and inference rollouts. Andy outlines how Meraki bypassed incumbents by giving away free access points to the mid-market to drive rapid product trials.21:39–23:55 · The host pushing back 0/10 Managing AI Proofs of Concept and Scope Andy emphasizes the necessity of disciplined POC parameters with strict end dates and predefined success metrics to prevent customer trials from degenerating into open-ended science projects.23:55–27:14 · The host pushing back 0/10 Customer Onboarding and Risk Delineation Elena asks who best manages enterprise onboarding and evangelism. Joe cites Decagon and Further AI, highlighting how establishing upfront performance benchmarks mitigates buyer risk in sensitive workflows.27:14–29:54 · The host pushing back 0/10 Evolving Sales Strategy & Vertical Expansion Andy demonstrates how startups inevitably combine both strategies over time by transitioning from broad mid-market land grabs into verticalized lighthouse motions like public sector and school districts.29:54–35:33 · The host pushing back 1/10 Sales Hiring Profiles for Lighthouse vs. Land Grab Elena questions whether bottoms-up PLG and developer adoption render top-down sales obsolete. Joe respectfully reframes her hypothesis, explaining that PLG was an artifact of the prior SaaS wedge era and that AI enables top-down platform sales again.35:33–38:49 · The host pushing back 0/10 Sustained Lighthouse Models & Applied Intuition Case Elena asks why founders misjudge their sales motion. Joe points to Applied Intuition as a perpetual lighthouse model, while Andy criticizes founders for falling into analysis paralysis over prestigious brand logos instead of executing.38:49–43:09 · The host pushing back 0/10 Lightning Round: Unusual Deal Closing Locations Elena initiates the lightning round where Andy shares unusual deal closing venues, advocates for hiring sales operations early, and insists on setting achievable early-stage sales quotas so 100% of the team hits target.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 37:49 Andy dismisses logo-chasing and strategy over-analysis

Andy forcefully rejects the common founder obsession with pursuing prestigious logos like JPMorgan, stressing that revenue carries no bonus multipliers and strategy should take only 1% of time.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 31:59 Elena questions whether traditional sellers are becoming obsolete

Elena directly challenges the guests' sales-heavy premise by proposing that developer-led bottoms-up adoption makes dedicated sales motions less relevant.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 31:59 Joe recontextualizes the 15-year PLG era vs current AI platform shifts

Joe educates Elena on why product-led growth dominated the 2010-2024 wedge SaaS cycle and why fundamental AI workflow shifts demand comprehensive top-down enterprise selling.

The host holds their own ▶ 13:26 Elena anchors the discussion in specific portfolio case studies

Elena demonstrates a firm command of the essay's core taxonomy by accurately categorizing Harvey, Hebea, Stute, and Decagon across the lighthouse and land grab divide.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
The Sales Strategy 2x2 Matrix 3600 Elena prompts Joe to break down the mechanics behind choosing targeted sales versus visible billboard campaigns. Joe details his two-by-two framework balancing buyer exposure against proof traveling.
AI Startups and Go-To-Market Categories 2600 Elena invites Andy to categorize current AI startups, after which Joe and Andy discuss the historical parallel of the 2016 ELD mandate creating an explosive land-grab opportunity at Samsara.
Mid-Market Focus and Rapid Product Feedback 1710 Andy explains that initial enterprise cold calls forced Samsara into the mid-market where rapid feedback loops and lower social proof requirements enabled rapid product iteration. Joe and Andy contrast replacement products with missionary category creation.
Startup Case Studies: Stute, Harvey, and Pylon 4600 Elena cites specific case studies from the research piece including Harvey and Stute. Joe explains how Stute leverages quantifiable math to capture accounts receivable workflows while Harvey relies on prestigious legal lighthouse logos.
Average Contract Value Trajectory and Unit Economics 1600 Joe drills into ACV optimization and gross margins during hardware and inference rollouts. Andy outlines how Meraki bypassed incumbents by giving away free access points to the mid-market to drive rapid product trials.
Managing AI Proofs of Concept and Scope 1710 Andy emphasizes the necessity of disciplined POC parameters with strict end dates and predefined success metrics to prevent customer trials from degenerating into open-ended science projects.
Customer Onboarding and Risk Delineation 3600 Elena asks who best manages enterprise onboarding and evangelism. Joe cites Decagon and Further AI, highlighting how establishing upfront performance benchmarks mitigates buyer risk in sensitive workflows.
Evolving Sales Strategy & Vertical Expansion 1700 Andy demonstrates how startups inevitably combine both strategies over time by transitioning from broad mid-market land grabs into verticalized lighthouse motions like public sector and school districts.
Sales Hiring Profiles for Lighthouse vs. Land Grab 4731 Elena questions whether bottoms-up PLG and developer adoption render top-down sales obsolete. Joe respectfully reframes her hypothesis, explaining that PLG was an artifact of the prior SaaS wedge era and that AI enables top-down platform sales again.
Sustained Lighthouse Models & Applied Intuition Case 4720 Elena asks why founders misjudge their sales motion. Joe points to Applied Intuition as a perpetual lighthouse model, while Andy criticizes founders for falling into analysis paralysis over prestigious brand logos instead of executing.
Lightning Round: Unusual Deal Closing Locations 3610 Elena initiates the lightning round where Andy shares unusual deal closing venues, advocates for hiring sales operations early, and insists on setting achievable early-stage sales quotas so 100% of the team hits target.

Statements from this episode (27)

Insight
Schmidt: AI startups do not always need to sell to notable San Francisco logos
“The reality is you don't always have to do that. Like you don't always have to sell to the same companies in San Francisco. And so what I wanted to try to do is tell founders like, Hey, here's the framework for evaluating which playbook should you be following…”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 1:59
Insight
Schmidt: Enterprise AI sales divide into lighthouse and land-grab markets
“And so, you know, if you think about like the top right would be proof travels in this market and it's high buyer exposure and high, you know, high buyer risk. And that's a lighthouse market, right? Just to be clear. And the bottom left would be, you know, low…”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 3:45
Insight
McCall: Category creators need a lighthouse sales strategy with marquee logos
“I think that concept of like the lighthouse being more in industries that require, you know, regulation, a lot of social proof and so forth. And those tend to be companies that are going after like a category creation, right? It doesn't exist today. So therefo…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 5:40
Insight
McCall: Land grab AI startups target existing workflows with established budget
“The sort of land grab you know, less social proof, but those tend to be, especially in the AI world today, those are companies that are maybe replacing or improving workflows that already exist and there's existing budget.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 6:03
Assertion Supported
McCall: Incumbents made up to $500M in revenue when Samsara entered ELD market
“AT&T had a solution. Verizon had a solution. There were a number of companies that were in sort of the, you know, hundreds of millions, half a billion in revenue already doing this.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 9:26
Insight
McCall: ELD mandate forced trucking industry to create budget for new entrants
“But if you were a new entrant into the market, like we were at Sansara, it really helped because basically the entire industry all of a sudden had to find budget to go out and buy these things.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 9:37
Disclosure
McCall: Samsara focused on mid-market for lower social proof barriers
“And so for us at that point in time, the mid market was the place to go for a couple of reasons. Number one it didn't require as much social proof, right? It was more about, Hey, are you satisfying my need for telematics? Do you fit the requirement? And then, …”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 11:00
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Schmidt: Board-level urgency driving enterprise AI adoption mandates will inevitably end
“There are AI Boards at every enterprise right now saying like, here's what we need to buy and we need to do it by X period of time. And that surely will go away, but there is this moment of like crazy, you know, kinetic energy inside of big companies.”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 11:52
Insight
Schmidt: Harvey's early marquee law firm wins de-risked enterprise legal AI adoption
“You know, another example on the lighthouse side would be, you know, we highlight Harvey in, in our article and they just did a fantastic job of winning the right law firms for this very new, very, you know, theoretically high risk initiative where you're augm…”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 15:41
Insight
McCall: Maximize deal volume once contract values meet unit economics hurdles
“You want to make sure that the ACV that you're going after, it has to top the hurdle, right? In, in other words, you look at your unit economics and is it healthy or not? You don't want to be taking deals that are, you know, negative to your unit economics. Bu…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 17:30
Disclosure
McCall: Meraki scaled by gifting free access points to webinar attendees
“Our kind of firm belief at that point in time was, well, what's the best way to get them to understand that our networking equipment is simpler to use than their Cisco that they're about to buy? And the answer is get them to try it. And so what we do is we'd r…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 20:53
Insight
McCall: AI proofs of concept risk turning into open-ended science projects
“What you have to stay away from, and I think one of the real dangers today is these things turn into like science projects. I'm going to deploy this. Well, can it do this? Can it do this? Can you show me this? Can you show me this? And of course things are adv…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 22:26
Insight
Schmidt: AI startups must distinguish product guarantees from customer usage
“I think this is actually a really important topic for founders and for early stage revenue leaders today to figure out how you're educating your customer on like, here is the thing we are signing up for. We are not signing up for, you know, maybe you are, mayb…”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 24:52
Opinion
Schmidt: Decagon excels at onboarding by committing to and hitting support benchmarks
“I mean, I think like Decagon has done an amazing job at this. Like, I think they go in, they basically evangelize that they're doing customer support better than anyone else. And then they're very good about saying, here are the benchmarks that we are signing …”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 25:22
Insight
Schmidt: Founders do not need industry backgrounds to execute lighthouse sales
“And I think like sometimes people think that you have to be from a given market to do a lighthouse strategy. And maybe there's someone sitting at home and they're like, oh, like if only like I worked at this company, I could go do this. And it's like, no, the …”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 26:46
Insight
McCall: Large enterprise companies eventually deploy both landgrab and lighthouse strategies
“I don't know too many very large successful companies that at some point in time haven't deployed both strategies. You might start off with land grab, but then you mature and you have a lighthouse strategy or you start a lighthouse and then you get big enough …”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 27:19
Disclosure
McCall: Meraki and Samsara first used lighthouse strategies entering the public sector
“At both Meraki and Samsara you know, the sort of earliest example of Lighthouse was when we verticalized. And in both those instances, it was basically into, like, public sector.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 28:40
Insight
McCall: Winning a state's largest school district unlocks regional education sales
“If anybody's ever sold to school districts, like, they all talk to each other, they all know each other. You want to find the biggest school districts in each state, and if you can take that down, every school district underneath them says, oh, what did that o…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 29:00
Insight
McCall: Lighthouse sales requires seasoned reps while land grabs suit hungry juniors
“You know, generally you want more seasoned you know, enterprise sellers that, you know, know how to work within those accounts. They understand the sales cycles. They understand the sort of procurement cycles in, in more of a land grab strategy where you're ju…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 30:27
Insight
Schmidt: The AI shift enables selling big platform software again
“There's a moment right now to go sell You know, big software again. Right. And to go sell platforms and it's because of this moment. And so I think people need to be studying kind of the 15 years ago models of like how people build this and the ecosystems arou…”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 34:21
Insight
McCall: Lighthouse strategy transitions from building social proof to references
“If you start with a lighthouse strategy, you've built the social proof, you've gotten these big names, then what you want to do is you want to run the category underneath it, right? If I've gotten the top five financial companies in the world, I want to run do…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 36:20
Opinion
Schmidt: Applied Intuition operates permanently as a lighthouse sales business
“There are certain companies, I think that actually do just stay lighthouse the entire time. And like, that would be like, I'm trying to think of like the best example might be like applied to tuition in our portfolio. Like there's, there is a very, you know, s…”
Joe Schmidt Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 36:56
Insight
McCall: Early-stage founders should spend 1% on strategy, 99% executing
“Strategy's important, but you should spend like one percent of your time on the strategy, pick it, and then spend 99% of your time trying to execute.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 38:00
Insight
McCall: Big enterprise logos do not give startups revenue valuation multipliers
“There's no bonus points for hard-earned revenue. You know, you don't get extra, you know, multipliers on your revenue if you get the big logo or something.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 38:23
Insight
McCall: Startups wait too long to make their first sales operations hire
“I would say sales operations is, is probably one that I see companies waiting a little too long on. And I am not a proponent. I don't think you need to, you know, stand up a gigantic revenue operations organization. It can be literally like one person, but you…”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 40:58
Insight
McCall: Startups with 40-50% quota attainment have flawed targets or hiring
“So yeah, I think, you know, some of these companies today where, you know, 40, 50% of the team's hitting quota, I think they're probably doing themselves a disservice. Either their quotas are too high or, you know, they're hiring profiles off.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 42:38
Insight
McCall: Markets do not care about a company's early cost of sales
“When you're a public company and, you know, you've gone out and you've conquered your market. Nobody looks back and says, you know, gosh, you know, six years ago, your cost of sales was really terrible. Nobody cares about that.”
Andy McCall Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 42:54
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