Dec 19, 2019 · 41m · a16z
What's Next for the Internet?
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At the a16z Summit, Andreessen Horowitz General Partner Chris Dixon and BuzzFeed CEO Jonah Peretti discuss the architectural evolution of the web from Web 1.0 to Web 3.0. They explore how open protocols, blockchain incentives, and shifting media business models will disrupt incumbent platforms and shape the next generation of computing.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
The host as informed peer 5.3 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 1.0 The host pushing back 1.1
speaking balance: gold is the host, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 8:52 Interruption on Apple's roots
Jonah directly interrupts Dixon's classification of Apple as an inside-out company, insisting that early Apple was fundamental hobbyist culture.
Hardest push from the host ▶ 34:24 Challenging crypto speculationJonah directly challenges the speculative pump-and-dump culture driven by social media promoters, questioning whether it holds crypto back.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:41 9-to-5 vs weekend time horizonDixon brilliantly articulates why breakthrough technology movements start on weekends with hobbyists because 9-to-5 corporate managers are locked into 1-to-3 year time horizons.
The host holds their own ▶ 22:41 Genealogy of the retweetJonah establishes undisputed pioneer authority by explaining how his team built Reblog on RSS, which was subsequently copied by Tumblr, Twitter, and Facebook.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The host as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The host pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Important Disclosures and Disclaimers | 3 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Jonah opens with high praise for Chris Dixon's early company Hunch and asks for a historical overview of Web 1.0 versus 2.0. Dixon explains the evolution from brochure-ware to interactive media and Wikipedia's governance, with Jonah contributing a brief witty observation. | |
| The Mobile and Social Media Revolution | 6 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Dixon recalls Jonah accurately predicting mobile news pre-iPhone, leading to a discussion on Clay Christensen's disruption theory. Jonah demonstrates domain expertise by detailing early internet features such as global reach, real-time click metrics at HuffPost, and social sharing. | |
| Incumbents vs. Outside-In Tech Movements | 5 | 5 | 2 | 3 | Dixon outlines outside-in versus inside-out technology adoption, using open source and smartphones as examples. Jonah pushes back slightly on Apple's categorization by reminding Dixon that early Apple was built by hobbyists, before Dixon elaborates on why 10-year horizons happen on weekends. | |
| Crypto, Blockchains, and Second-Order Effects | 2 | 5 | 1 | 0 | Dixon explains the architecture of the internet and how crypto incentives encourage code upgrades, comparing crypto's fifth estate spread to historical second-order effects like cars creating suburbs. | |
| Decentralization, Press Misgivings, and Encryption | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jonah asks a sophisticated question about press skepticism toward decentralization and post-truth risks. Dixon responds by drawing historical parallels to 1990s encryption debates and telephone regulation trade-offs. | |
| Platform Governance: Cities vs. Disneyland | 5 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Jonah introduces a backstage metaphor comparing walled-garden platforms to Disneyland and decentralized networks to vibrant cities. Dixon expands on this by framing blockchains as community-owned digital parks and public commons. | |
| Technical Evolution and 10-15 Year Computing Cycles | 7 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jonah demonstrates significant product expertise by detailing how his early open-source RSS project Reblog directly inspired features in Tumblr, Twitter retweets, and Facebook share buttons. Dixon contextualizes this within 10-15 year computing cycles. | |
| Convergence of Tech Trends and Industry Disruption | 6 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Jonah maps out how BuzzFeed capitalized on the convergence of cloud, mobile, social, and digital video. Dixon expands on this macro view by predicting the convergence of AI, new hardware devices, and crypto. | |
| Monetization Shifts, Ad Tech Intermediaries, and Commerce | 8 | 4 | 2 | 4 | Jonah leads the segment with sharp critiques of ad-tech intermediaries skimming revenue without adding value and altcoin pump-and-dump behavior. He showcases BuzzFeed's $500M GMV transactional pivot and physical product integrations like Tasty cookware at Walmart. |
Statements from this episode (17)
Dixon: Wikipedia Sustains 100k Attacks and Fixes Per Day
“The interesting about Wikipedia is it's something like there's like a 100,000 per day, a 100,000 sort of attacks on Wikipedia, people spamming it, changing it, but per day, there's also more than a 100,000 people fixing it, right?”
Peretti: Portable cheap computers disrupt markets, not fancier phones
“And a fancier phone with bells and whistles isn't disruptive, but a cheap computer that you can take with you everywhere is disruptive.”
Peretti: Early HuffPost pioneered real-time headline rewriting using click data
“So, like early HuffPost, we just did something super simple, which was you had a click meter on every headline, and we could just see which headlines were people clicking and which ones weren't clicking. If there was an important story and no one was clicking …”
Dixon: Open source powers 95% of operating systems worldwide
“Open source would be the canonical example, right? Where it's completely fringe stuff. I mean, it's Richard Stallman, extreme libertarian, you know, statements in the eighties at MIT, and now it's 95% of the operating systems in the world, right?”
Dixon: Managers optimize for 1-3 years; breakthroughs happen on weekends
“What you do during nine to five work hours is governed by people that generally have a one to three year time horizon. Right? They have to, like, unless they're the, you know, maybe Jeff Bezos is an exception or something, but, like, for the most part, like, y…”
Dixon: Major technologies take decades to produce second-order effects
“There's always sort of a first order and second order effect of any major new technology, ok? So, what I mean by that is like, the car comes along, and the first order effect is you can drive from point A to point B faster, right? The second order effect took …”
Dixon: Cryptocurrency adoption is a second-order consequence of social media
“I think things like cryptocurrency, for example, in many ways, it's a consequence of social media. If 20 years ago, someone invented Bitcoin, you'd have like a couple New York Times articles quoting some Yale economists. This is stupid. It's over. Maybe it'd b…”
Dixon: Society faces a resurgence of 1990s-style political battles over encryption
“Like, I wouldn't be surprised if we head into another era similar to the nineties where there's real battle. I mean, we see with Apple and the FBI and things like this, just like encryption in general.”
Dixon: Web3 will recapture community-controlled internet aspects
“What my hope is in the third era, we could find kind of a happy medium where we'd, we'd recapture some of the kind of community-controlled aspects.”
Dixon: Crypto's core value is open-source, community-governed infrastructure
“That's the core value of the whole kind of crypto blockchain world. Everything is open source, everything is community governed.”
Dixon: Blockchains enable the first community-owned and operated web services
“One way to think of what a blockchain is, a simple way to think of it, it's the first time that we've had a concept of a community owned and operated web service. One that's truly owned by a community, right?”
Dixon: Crypto, AI, and VR are approaching a breakthrough iPhone moment
“I believe we're on the precipice now, not just crypto, I think AI and virtual reality, and there's a bunch of really exciting things happening, but we're about to hit that point where you get kind of the iPhone moment”
Dixon: Global smartphone users will grow to eight billion
“We've got, what is it, like three to four billion people with smartphones. That's going to go to eight billion.”
Dixon: Cable TV bundle economics will collapse in the near future
“And the economics too, like the, you know, like the cable bundle is going to break at some point, I think soon, right? But at some point, like the economics will, like fundamentally, like it will no longer work to have the cable bundle. I think that's, Relativ…”
Dixon: Tech has only truly disrupted media, transportation, and retail
“The, it's kind of surprising, 25 years into the internet that, The only industries that have been really quote disrupted have been, I think media, maybe transportation and maybe starting to happen is retail, right? And then the rest, I mean, if you look at the…”
Peretti: Ad tech intermediaries skim money without creating value for consumers
“There's a huge number of intermediaries who are skimming money in the ad tech space, and oftentimes the main value they're providing to an advertiser is, is surveilling and tracking users where, where if users had the choice to say, do I want to be tracked thi…”
Peretti: BuzzFeed drives $500 million in direct commerce gross merchandise value
“One trend we've seen at Buzzfeed. If you had asked me a couple of years ago, I would never have guessed the transformation that's happened in our business from advertising revenue being essentially the only kind of revenue to now having so many of our, so much…”