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Opinion
Conrad: David Sacks made wrong decisions across product and strategy at Zenefits
“I got to this point where I was convinced that you know, David was not really interested in making Zenefits successful. And, you know, almost every decision he made at the company was wrong. You know, he the decisions he made from a product perspective, from a…”
Parker Conrad Oct 3, 2022 ▶ 5:14 Parker Conrad: How I Got Ousted from Zenefits and Came Back with a Vengence | 20VC #932 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Parker Conrad: David Sacks made wrong decisions across the board at Zenefits
“David was not really interested in making Zenefits successful. You know, almost every decision he made at the company was wrong. The decisions he made from a product perspective, from a strategy perspective, the people he. Fired the people he promoted, like al…”
Parker Conrad Jun 9, 2023 ▶ 12:07 20VC: What are the World's Tech Leaders Running From? Fear? Insecurity? Poverty? What Drives the Best with Orlando Bravo, Bill Ackman, Dara Khosrowshahi, Parker Conrad, Tobi Luttke, Brian Armstrong and more..
What-if
Conrad: Zenefits' outcome would differ if A16Z and Sacks hadn't ousted him
“If I had fought at my last company, being forced out by A-sixteen Z and David Sachs, and had stayed in place, like, if we could replay the videotape, what would the outcome for that company have been? I believe that it would have been very different”
Parker Conrad Apr 26, 2021 ▶ 22:39 20VC: Rippling's Parker Conrad on Why The VC/Founder Marriage Analogy is Weird, Why The Notion of Focus, Focus, Focus is Overrated, Why Narrow Point Solutions Are Not Best in Class Products & The Rise of the "Compound Startup"
Disclosure
Conrad: Zenefits investors forced his resignation by threatening lawsuits despite board control
“At my last company, I had board control and everything, but when investors sat me down and said, look, if you don't resign, we're going to sue the company, we're going to go to war with you know, suddenly you're like, crap, how do I survive that?”
Parker Conrad Apr 26, 2021 ▶ 26:24 20VC: Rippling's Parker Conrad on Why The VC/Founder Marriage Analogy is Weird, Why The Notion of Focus, Focus, Focus is Overrated, Why Narrow Point Solutions Are Not Best in Class Products & The Rise of the "Compound Startup"
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Parker Conrad unfairly took the fall for non-ethical Zenefits mistakes
“I think there were some small mistakes made, but they were company-wide. They were under all departments, not just his. Everyone knew about it. They weren't ethical mistakes, and he sort of, you know, took the fall.”
Max Altman Nov 21, 2025 ▶ 9:55 20VC: Max Altman on The New Seed War: Can Anyone Compete with Sequoia and a16z | Leaving $2BN on the Table with Reddit | Lessons from Backing Rippling at $25M Post | Why Climate Tech is a Mirage and Disaster
Opinion
Petersen: Parker Conrad was wrongly scapegoated at Zenefits
“I think Parker was wrongly scapegoated and run out of town at benefits. Then he, and he proved it by going to build rippling into a business that's much bigger and better than reference benefits ever was in the exact same space.”
Ryan Petersen Nov 13, 2023 ▶ 52:04 Ryan Petersen: Why Velocity not Speed is Most Important in Company Building | E1081 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Justin Kan Defends Zenefits Founder Parker Conrad as an Impressive Leader
“I always think that he is like a very impressive founder and someone who is like relentlessly bent on growing his company.”
Justin Kan Aug 1, 2016 ▶ 21:17 20VC: YC's Justin Kan on The 3 Qualities All Successful Investors Have & Why 'VCs Don't Really Do Any Real Work'?
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Lemkin: Zenefits will reach $100M revenue in 24 months
“Zenefits will go one to a hundred million in revenue in 24 months.”
Jason Lemkin Jul 1, 2015 ▶ 9:12 20 VC 050: Starting, Building and Selling in SaaS with the King of SaaS, Jason Lemkin, Managing Director @ Storm Ventures
Prediction Open · timeframe Apr 2029
Blond: Parker Conrad Will Build a $100 Billion Business With Rippling
“I just wanted to join this guy's company because he was going to build a hundred billion dollar business. You know, we didn't realize that outcome with Zenefits. He's going to with Rippling.”
Sam Blond Apr 12, 2024 ▶ 6:58 Sam Blond: Why Startups are Doing Outbound Wrong and How to Fix It | E1139 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Maples: Zenefits Was YC's Only Startup With PMF That Failed
“The only one he could name was Zenefits, and they broke the law.”
Mike Maples Sep 20, 2023 ▶ 19:33 Is the VC Model Broken? Jason Lemkin, Mike Maples, Eric Paley & Harry Stebbings Debate | E1062 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Conrad: Rippling exists to prove what Zenefits could have become
“A big part of how I think about Rippling is that this is a way for me to sort of prove, mostly to myself, But also to the extended community, to my friends and family, to the general public, and all that kind of stuff, that this is how things might have turned…”
Parker Conrad Apr 26, 2021 ▶ 22:56 20VC: Rippling's Parker Conrad on Why The VC/Founder Marriage Analogy is Weird, Why The Notion of Focus, Focus, Focus is Overrated, Why Narrow Point Solutions Are Not Best in Class Products & The Rise of the "Compound Startup"
Disclosure
Phil Black named Jet.com, Zenefits, and Magic Leap as struggling unicorns
“So I had a Twitter post about this about, I don't know, nine months ago. And I said my three favorite unicorns that I think are in trouble were at that time, jet.com, Zenefits, and Magic Leap.”
Phil Black Sep 4, 2017 ▶ 20:50 20VC: True Ventures Founder, Phil Black on 4 Major Risk Categories for Startups, Why The Funding Gap Is At The "Rational B" Round & Why VCs Must Start Small But Think Big
Opinion
Tunguz blames Zenefits' troubles on media magnification and regulatory missteps
“No, no company's execution is perfect, but if you have the media's microscope on you, your imperfections or your errors in judgment, or they get magnified. And so I think that's what happened in this case. Compounding factor is that Zenefits operates in a regu…”
Tomasz Tunguz Mar 7, 2016 ▶ 12:00 20VC: Tom Tunguz on Why Now Is The Best Time To Be Investing and The Effect of Late Stage Valuations on Startups
Disclosure
Emergence Capital backed Gusto over faster-growing rival Zenefits
“We had just invested in Gusto, which was a competitor that was growing not quite as quickly as Zenefits. But the reality is Gusto has endured and become a massive company, and Zenefits didn't.”
Jake Saper Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 18:24 Jake Saper, GP @ Emergence Capital: "We Sold Salesforce Early and Lost Out on Billions" · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Alexis Ohanian: Initialized could have returned Fund I by selling Zenefits
“I should have sold, we got, we could have returned the fund once over in whenever the fidelity markdown was, like literally putting an SPV together to sell Zenefits and then the markdown, the fidelity markdown happened and it killed the SPV. That was one, that…”
Alexis Ohanian Aug 7, 2024 ▶ 1:13:53 Alexis Ohanian: The Full P&L Breakdown of the World's Most Valuable Women's Sports Team | E1187 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Taneja: General Catalyst advised Gusto not to copy Zenefits' scaling playbook
“In the very first board meeting, Josh said, we have this competitor called Zenefis, who I had met. I knew what the company was doing. They're going exceptionally fast. They've got a business model that's working really well, and they're outpacing us significan…”
Hemant Taneja Jun 18, 2018 ▶ 19:16 20VC: General Catalyst's Hemant Taneja on Why We Are In A Golden Age For VC, Why Pro-Rata Is A Lazy Posture and Why He Does Not Focus On Price
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ashley Kelly Hired Zenefits SDRs After Only 30-Minute Phone Screens
“We had huge hiring goals and I remember we hired people off of just 30 minute phone screens and that was it. So it was a true, like just needed to get butts in seats as fast as possible.”
Ashley Kelly Jun 7, 2024 ▶ 31:23 Ashley Kelly: The Playbook to Start and Scale Your SDR Team | E1162 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Lemkin: VCs should never invest unless they can see the future through the founder
“You should never do anyone where you can't see the future through the founders.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 3, 2024 ▶ 1:16:39 Jason Lemkin: PluralSight S*** the Bed & The Next IPO Candidates | E1160 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Blond: Top Sales Reps Outperform Bottom Reps 3x Even in Hyper-Growth
“But what happens seemingly universally, even at the best companies in the world, like Zenefits in 2014, is there are outlier performers That perform at something like three X to the bottom performer. And so you get a team of like 10 people, even when you're in…”
Sam Blond Apr 12, 2024 ▶ 8:10 Sam Blond: Why Startups are Doing Outbound Wrong and How to Fix It | E1139 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sam Blond: Picking the Right Startup Defines Career Success More Than Performance
“The reality is the importance of picking the right company it just really defines one's career. I attribute so much of my success to joining the right businesses. Now, like, I was able to perform within those businesses, and, you know, for context, we're talki…”
Sam Blond Apr 12, 2024 ▶ 3:43 Sam Blond: Why Startups are Doing Outbound Wrong and How to Fix It | E1139 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Partly supported
SaaS Startups Like Zenefits and ClearSlide Are Restructuring After High Valuations
“I think we've seen a bunch of companies that are going through big challenges in the startup community today, even, is that they raised on large valuations, and they're in the process of restructuring their business, whether it's Zenefits and that entire space…”
Darian Shirazi Apr 6, 2018 ▶ 10:55 20VC: Why Facebook Will Be The Company To Succeed in Crypto, Why Founders Should Be Actively Angel Investing & Commonalities of Great Leadership From Mark Zuckerberg to Mark Pincus with Darian Shirazi, Founder & CEO @ Radius
Disclosure
Gil: Invested in Stripe and Gusto because he needed them as founder
“So for example, a few years ago, I invested in a set of companies based solely on the fact that I would have used them at my first startup. I would have used Stripe for payments. I invested in Stripe. I would have used Mailgun for email, and so I invested in M…”
Elad Gil Jun 21, 2017 ▶ 21:12 20VC: Elad Gil on Becoming One of Silicon Valleys Top Angels, Why Most People Get Market Sizing Wrong & Should VC Services Always Be Bundled Together?
Assertion Supported
Floyd: Zenefits won by offering free software monetized via insurance commissions
“And I think Zenefits would be a perfect example of that. You know, they're, they get paid from the commission through the insurance broker, so they can give their software away for free. And no one else figured that out. So they had an automatic leg up.”
Joe Floyd Feb 2, 2015 ▶ 6:11 20 VC 009: Red Flags, Saas and becoming a VC with Joe Floyd
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