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Stebbings: AI customer support software is currently uninvestable due to competition
“I think customer support is uninvestable today, and I get so much shit on Twitter for this, because everyone shits on them, but I'm like, Sierra and Dakagon, obviously two market leaders in terms of brand, and how much money they've raised, and you've got 16 p…”
Stebbings: OpenAI should acquire Sierra and make Bret Taylor CEO
“It's the best thing for OpenAI not to buy Sierra, incorporate that as a customer support product, and have Brett Taylor come in as the day-to-day CEO, and Sam can be fundraiser, Sam can be master of...”
Cohen: Sierra, OpenAI, and Anthropic Fail at Complex Vertical AI Needs
“There is nothing even remotely closed to what is needed when you go to a complex vertical out there. Okay. And it's definitely not in the kind of Sierra level, but even if you take it to the level of the APIs, If I'm kind of taking an anthropic and an open AI,…”
Zhang: Competitor Sierra relies on heavy, Salesforce-style configuration
“The approaches are just very different because of their leadership all coming from Salesforce. They've taken a very Salesforce-esque approach where it's, you know, the heavy configuration and sort of this longer lift to get going. And we're more of a, you know…”
Weitzman: Sierra relies on third-party models and Bret Taylor's go-to-market
“Sierra doesn't have their own model team. They use other people's models, right? Because the value of Sierra is the go to market. It's Brett Taylor.”
Stebbings: Bret Taylor is building Sierra to recreate the next Salesforce
“I think Brett Taylor's actually trying to recreate the next generation of Salesforce. He is absolutely not playing the customer support game. He's moving into pre-sales.”
Sierra engineers report 3x to 20x productivity boost from AI agents
“We have software engineers who are completely AI-pilled and using Cloud Code, Codex, our own internal agent we call Pinecone that we used to run much of the company on, and they estimate they are between three and 20 times more productive in terms of features …”
Sierra deliberately took lower valuations than offered in every funding round
“Every one of our rounds, we actually guided to and took a lower price than we could have.”
Bavor: Pre-training foundation models is economically unviable for most startups
“The capital expense the ongoing capital expense to create what is effectively a highly perishable bag of floating point numbers just doesn't work. Just doesn't work for any, but a small number of companies.”
Bavor: Enterprise AI will be a duopoly with Sierra in the lead
“My hunch is it will be more like an Uber lift market. And we obviously think we're in the pole position to be the bigger of those two.”
O'Driscoll: OpenAI and Anthropic growth will stall unless enterprise software scales
“If Sierra doesn't grow, let me put it bluntly, if Sierra doesn't grow, then at some point, OpenAI and Entropic will stop growing because their customers today are primarily software companies for coding, right? And selling through software companies to corpora…”
O'Driscoll: Sierra's LLM token spend is likely under 10% of its revenue
“And my guess is their LLM spend is sub-ten percent of revenues. In other words, LLMs are not the dominant portion of the value they deliver. It's the LLM plus the software, plus the whole thing, plus all the domain specific knowledge.”
Rory O'Driscoll: Sierra must target $200B labor market to justify $10B valuation
“The only way this math works is if you eat a huge slug of the labor and because you eat the labor, instead of the, you know, twenty billion dollar software market for services, you eat the two hundred billion dollar a year services market for customer support …”
Rory O'Driscoll: Enterprise change management will limit Sierra's growth speed
“And I think the physics of diffusing this technology into the enterprise will be the rate limiter on how fast this company can grow. It won't be raw demand. It won't be the talent Of the CEO. It won't be the product. It will literally be, can you really roll o…”
O'Driscoll: Sierra's $10B valuation requires capturing labor budgets alongside software
“The only way the math works for the Sierra at ten billion is if you eat, you don't just get India, maybe not up front, but over time, you don't just get the service cloud revenue, you get the service cloud revenue plus some slug of the labor.”
Stebbings: Benchmark AI portfolio companies HeyGen, Sierra, and Fireworks hit $100M+ ARR
“McCaw over a hundred million in ARR. Hey Jen hitting a hundred million in ARR. Fireworks a hundred and forty million in ARR. Sierra with Brett Taylor over a hundred million in ARR.”
Taylor: Enterprise spending on AI professional services will drop as software matures
“I think there's probably some short term professional services spend that reflects the lack of the maturity of the AI applications market right now. You know, and I think that when there are solutions like Sierra and others for specific domains available, you …”
O'Driscoll: Sierra must become a complete customer ecosystem to justify massive valuation
“The only way I can justify 15 or twenty billion in market cap for Sierra is not if I build a slightly better next generation service cloud, if I am the entire customer ecosystem for your entire business.”
Weitzman: Sierra's core value is tool calling, unlike ElevenLabs
“If you use a tool like Sierra, the wedge right now is voice, but the important part is tool calling. 11 Labs lets you do some tool calling, but that's not the bread and butter.”
Sierra gives engineering candidates $150 in tokens for AI-native interviews
“We completely changed our engineering interview process. So it now looks much more like, here's a very here's a kind of prompt think through an application you would like to build. Cool. Okay. Here's a 150 dollars to spend on choose your coding agent. You can …”
Sierra will not pre-train foundation models, leaving capex to major AI labs
“And we're not, you know, we're not doing our own pre-training. We'll leave the capital expense there to, you know, the labs and the larger companies.”
Bavor: Sierra is multiple times larger than its closest startup competitor
“We are at multiple larger multiple larger size than one of our next nearest similar vintage startup competitors growing faster.”
Reyna: ElevenLabs powers customer support AI competitors like Sierra and Decagon
“But I also think, like, you look at, like, all of our competitors, like, you mentioned Sierra, DecGone, and all of the other ones, we power all of them.”
O'Driscoll: Scale passed on direct competitors to Sierra and Decagon
“We looked at a number of companies that were behind Sierra and Decagon and came to the conclusion that a direct head-to-head Against those companies, when you're a smart, it's just a little bit too hard.”
Rory O'Driscoll: Intercom's AI product growth rate is comparable to Sierra's
“I think they've done an amazing job in a way that very few SaaS companies have of transitioning to an AI first world, and the growth rate of their AI product is frankly comparable to Sierra's”
Zhang: Decagon and Sierra will out-execute Salesforce on AI products
“I would expect a Decagon and a Sierra to be able to execute faster on a product side than Salesforce, but Salesforce has like so much distribution.”
Sierra Structures Client Deals on Upsell Commissions and Churn Revenue-Shares
“We have one customer that actually pays us a commission when we upsell someone's membership, or we get paid when we prevent you from canceling. Some customers, we do a revenue share with them on, you know, preventing from someone from canceling their service.”
Sierra Has Converted 100% of Its Paid Proof-of-Concept Clients
“I will knock on wood right now. We're batting a thousand on our proof of concepts.”
Sierra Requires All Incoming Sales Leaders to Start as Individual Contributors
“At Sierra, what we do is everyone comes in as an individual contributor for a certain period, even if you were in leadership, like myself included.”
Taylor: Sierra customers already use AI agents for sales and churn management
“Our customers already are using it for revenue generation, sales subscription churn management for subscription services, things like that.”
Bret Taylor: Sierra fine-tunes third-party models rather than pre-training
“So at Sierra, which is my company, we make a solution. We're not doing pre-training where, you know, we're fine tuning other people's models to build this solution.”
Sierra uses six-to-ten-page written memos instead of decks for board meetings
“As for running the board meetings themselves, we don't have board decks, we have board memos. So Brett and I write a usually six to 10 page memo.”
Bavor built an internal AI strategy partner trained on Sierra board letters
“Sierra brain is it starts with a 20 or 30 page document that grounds any agent in what we are as a company. What we do, how we're organized, our team structure, the competitive landscape, our strengths and weaknesses, all of these things. And then on top of th…”
Bavor: Sierra holds board meetings on a six-week cadence
“You mentioned the six week cadence. We have kind of a tick tock, a three hour meeting and a one and a half hour meeting. We've done this since the beginning of the company”
Sierra aims for far greater customer volume than Palantir
“My understanding is, you know, Palantir has kind of low hundreds of customers. We are and intend to be at a lot larger scale than that.”
Bavor: Co-founders should use a 'majors and minors' responsibility framework
“We think about rather than dividing up the company, we think about Majors and minors for every part of the company.”
Bavor: Every Sierra job interview will be AI-native within two months
“I will be disappointed if in the next no more than two months, not every one of our interviews has some strong AI native component to it.”
Bavor: 50% of Sierra's enterprise customers generate over $1B revenue
“We work with 40% of the fortune 50. We have 50% of our customers doing over a billion in revenue. We have 30% doing over ten billion in revenue.”
Bavor personally reviews and approves every single hire at Sierra
“So I, to date review and approve every single hire we make, and I get some help from pine cone and I've basically taught it.”
Bavor: Sierra's most effective employees are 22- to 23-year-olds
“Some of our most effective employees of the entire company are 22 or 23 years old and have been completely AI-pilled.”
Sierra's Head of Sales and Co-Founders Prospect Every Single Day
“I still prospect every single day. Our co-founders prospect”
Sierra's AI Agent Can Trigger SiriusXM Satellite Signal Resets for Cars
“If you're a serious XM customer, not only can we tell you what station shade 45 hip hop music is playing on, But we can also, if your radio stops working in your car, our agent will call the satellite and resend the encryption keys back to your car to get your…”
Sierra Built Verticalized Sales Teams Unusually Early in Its Startup Journey
“Most companies wait until they get more scale and more maturity. At Sierra, we made the decision to do it early because we know those are the industries where we can make the most impact, and we really want to show up right in those industries by understanding…”
Sierra's Enterprise AI Sales Cycle Averages Eight Months From First Meeting
“It's a little under a year. Because we are doing a proof of concept, which you've got to deploy the technology, build trust. It's AI. So you have to go through the legal compliance governance review. So it's about eight months from first meeting to actually cl…”
Marable: Sierra Co-Founder Bret Taylor Is an "Apex Predator" Salesperson
“So I consider Brett one of the, I call him the apex predator. He's one of the best salespeople I've ever been around.”
Sierra Absorbs All Implementation and Integration Costs for Enterprise Clients
“We don't charge implementation fees or any integration work. We absorb all of that.”
Marable: Overriding Hiring Team Doubts on Sales Reps Always Backfires
“Over my, if I look at the statistics of folks that I've taken chances on that didn't work out, I always go back and look. I remember debating in that room, and there was two people that were like, I'm not sure, and we still did it anyways, and it came back to …”