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Lawson: AI will decimate SaaS seat bases and human workflow roles
“The thing I would say though about any company in SAS today, and Atlassian is a Prime example of this is they are primed for, ah, disruption right now because AI is going to decimate their seat base for their products. It'll decimate the roles people are playi…”
Farquhar: AI startups without customer data move slower than incumbents
“If you're an AI startup and you don't have access to customer data and customers to test with, that can actually make you move slower.”
Lemkin: Bootstrapped SaaS startups risk falling behind venture-backed rivals
“Maybe it's not even until after five or ten million where if you don't have capital, you can't all be Atlassian or Qualtrics. Or, and they fall behind competitively. And I think that's the trap of the fallacy of the lifestyle-esque business, right? Where media…”
Reyes: AI will disrupt Agile methodology, challenging incumbents like Linear and Atlassian
“I will say, though, that one of the things that is pretty clear to me is that the way we build software is fundamentally changing, and I think that Agile might be one of the things that gets hit with this new way of developing, and that makes me think that the…”
Developer-focused SaaS seat pricing faces permanent assault from AI agents
“A lot of their revenue is still developer focused, which, where I think the seat is under assault, a permanent, permanent assault, the seat is.”
Abrahami: Atlassian Is Vulnerable to AI Replacement by Developers
“And when I look at it at Atlassian, I think that the customers are the ones that are more likely to build things with code code, right? Because with code code, because they are developers, right? So I'm always in, in a bit of a concern there because I'm like, …”
Lemkin: Atlassian and Monday threatened as AI agents bypass project tools
“The public markets have the right idea, but the wrong direction. The public markets think vibe coding and Claude are their threat. No, the threat is what the agents pick. And actually, if you look at overall, the markets are, they almost get it right. They're …”
Lemkin: Meta and Atlassian layoffs are voluntary, not financially forced
“Neither of these companies has to lay off anybody. Okay. Atlassian has substantial free cashflow meta. I don't know. They're in the, their free cashflow is dip, but it's still like in the mid forties, right? They don't have to do this.”
Jason Lemkin: Atlassian is the single best public SaaS value pick
“As an armchair, if we're abstracting away from everything else, this is the best pick on the list because it, of the ones that have been beaten down the most, it's the one that's accelerating. None of the rest are accelerating. So if you had to be simplistic, …”
Cannon-Brookes: Being public makes Atlassian a better company
“We're a better company because we're a public company. Like we have become a better business, right? We're better at forecasting. We're better at planning. We're better at executing.”
Cannon-Brookes: Atlassian won't pay 10x for AI tools without 10x productivity
“No, probably not. I mean, maybe if they gave me 10 times the productivity.”
Cannon-Brookes: Co-CEO success requires equality in age, life stage, and equity
“Having two equal parties, I think, in motivation, experience, we've always talked about this, is a really important part of what made it successful. And by equal, yes, equal, I don't know, shareholding-wise, equity-wise, but equal in terms of age, life stage, …”
Cannon-Brookes: Specialized apps won't be replaced by a single AI agent
“I don't think we know in the AI era if all those apps just disappear into some godlike Siri agent that we just talked to. I, I'm not a believer in that world view. I don't think it's likely to happen. I do think AI is going to have to change all of those appli…”
Cannon-Brookes: Atlassian will employ more software engineers in 2030
“Five years from now, we'll have more engineers working for our company than we do today. More software developers working for our companies. We will create far more. They will be more efficient.”
Lemkin: IPO markets evaluate efficiency at listing, ignoring capital raised history
“The IPO markets don't care. They actually don't care whether you raise nothing right in primary like Atlassian or whether you raised a crap load like rubric. Or whether you raised almost nothing like Klaviyo and then a bunch and then all, and then burn nothing…”
Lemieux: Shopify prioritizes shipping on quality, while Atlassian prioritizes speed
“And I think the non-overlapping I saw the most from the inside was Shopify will ship on quality. Atlassian will ship on speed.”
Lemieux: Shipping software reduces risk far more than planning
“We've all been, I think, indoctrinated into planning reduces risk, and I think shipping reduces risk. So as a company, your job is to reduce the most risk possible. And I just really believe shipping does that.”
Farquhar: Atlassian built a better product than Slack in many cases
“In, in many cases, I think against Slack, we had a better product.”
Farquhar: Doubling a 10-person engineering team yields zero net productivity gain
“And when you double that team, You actually don't get any more productivity because when you double the team, they now need to document things. They now need to work like, you know, separate the code out. They needed to start micro, you know, microservices and…”
Farquhar: Atlassian will never require employees to return to offices
“We made the decision that we would never require someone to come back into an office”
Farquhar: Accel won Atlassian's initial round at $405M valuation
“And the valuations we got back varied between, there was one sort of high hundreds. There was three of them ended up in the two to three hundred million dollar range. And Excel, who ended up you know, winning for us came back at four hundred and five million U…”
Farquhar: Atlassian's $10/Seat Model Is Less Vulnerable to AI Than $150+ Competitors
“If you're, you know, a 152 hundred dollars a seat, like you've got a much bigger pricing model change to worry about than if, like the last thing does, we charge 10 dollars a seat, and then how much is going to be augmented by AI versus replaced by AI.”
Howie Liu: Except Atlassian, Every Enterprise Product Eventually Needs Top-Down Sales
“Save for Atlassian, I think every great enterprise product eventually has to, you know, be sold to a senior, a strategic buyer, right? In the enterprise”
O'Driscoll: Atlassian will never be a 5x or 10x AI growth company
“Taking it last, for example, I don't think it's like, it's not going to 10 X from here, right? It's not, and it's never going to be a AI first, you know, five X, 10 X growth company.”
Rajaram: Monday.com has a much weaker defensibility score than Atlassian
“Monday probably has a score of one, I think. They have a workflow mode. I'm not sure if they have the other modes. So you're right. Monday, in theory, has a much weaker score, I guess, than Atlassian on this.”
Rajaram: Atlassian possesses at least three core software defensibility moats
“Atlassian has, you could argue they have proprietary data. Now they need to use that data to build products. They have unique proprietary data on all the code out there because it's being checked in. There's a lot of stuff they have, which they need to use for…”
Cannon-Brookes: Only four public CEOs remain from 2020 SaaS peer group
“In COVID in 2020, we formed a group of SaaS CEOs. I think there were 16 of us that got together, we'd meet on Zoom every single week, right? At one stage, 10, 11 of us were public, maybe more, we all had earnings calls, and you know, it was a really good thera…”
Cannon-Brookes: Spending 100% of your time working causes worse decisions
“I think if you spend a hundred percent of your time at work, you make worse decisions.”
Cannon-Brookes: Atlassian gross margins increased over the past six quarters
“Our cogs has gone up, or rather cogs has gone down, right? Our gross margin has gone up. Last six or seven quarters.”
Cannon-Brookes: Some Atlassian AI features are 1,000x cheaper to run today
“Some of our features are a thousand times cheaper to run than when we introduced them today.”
Cannon-Brookes: AI vibe coding will lead to far more generalists at Atlassian
“If you ask me, in Atlassian, I will end up with far more generalists. People, I will end up with a wider organization, and people will do far more things, and their jobs will hopefully be more fulfilling because of it, right?”
Cannon-Brookes: AI Software Will Not Dynamically Regenerate Every Screen Interface
“In theory, AI can generate some code, write the code to create a new interface for every single screen you look at, right? I don't think we'll probably see that. It'll be too discombobulating for users. They'll get lost. They'll be like, wait, everything's mov…”
Mike Cannon-Brookes: Atlassian is currently launching a vibe coding environment
“I'm in Barcelona and we're launching one at the moment.”
Cannon-Brookes: Atlassian decided early on against training foundational AI models
“Firstly, very early on, we thought there would likely be multiple foundational models that were competing. And hence we've built our technology to be multi-model on purpose in almost every way, and that we were not going to make foundational models. It's unlik…”
O'Driscoll: Atlassian's M&A spree will not make it an AI leader
“Look, it's not going to make them, quote, an AI leader, but it, you know, they're doing the smart thing that existing corporations do, buying relatively new technology to, you know, to try.”
Gonto: 80% to 85% of top PLG revenue comes from enterprise accounts
“If you look at all of the companies like Atlassians of the world, like the Twilios of the world, Outsido, or even Bursell, most of them, what ends up happening is that 80, 85% of the revenue comes from mid-market and enterprise, 15% come from SMBs, but that 15…”
Farquhar: Atlassian Is Not Building Proprietary Large Language Models
“So we don't have to make the huge list and investments of you know, building our own large language model or building, you know, our own thing across So across, you know, data sets.”
Farquhar's framework for overcoming sunk cost fallacy in product decisions
“It ended up not being a hard decision because the way I looked at it was, you know, could I look my staff in the face and say that the next five years of their life was going to be the biggest impact to humanity working on this product?”
Farquhar: Benchmark declined splitting Atlassian's initial round with Accel
“And actually like we went back to Peter Fenton at Benchmark was, I think the runner up bidder. And we went back to Excel and said, Hey, look, all things considered, maybe we should get two VCs or, you know, in there, even though there was a huge difference in …”
Farquhar: Scaling shifts leadership mistakes from commission to omission
“When you're small as a company, or what I found when we were small as a company, the mistakes are mistakes of commission. Like, you do something stupid that didn't make sense, or you invested time in something that ultimately was a waste of time. I think when …”
Farquhar: Heavily funded startups outpace bootstrapped rivals in crowded markets
“I think it depends on what you're going after and the niche or niches Americans say that you're going after, because if there are thousands of other companies or dozens of other companies going after the same customer that you are, And they've raised 10 times,…”
Farquhar: Connectivity gains from in-person work events decay over 4-5 months
“How long does it take to return to baseline? It's four to five months actually before that returns to the baseline.”
Simons: Atlassian never followed the 'triple, triple, double, double' growth model
“And, you know, Atlassian, you know, was never a triple, triple, double, double, double company. It was this kind of methodical, reasonable grower.”
Fernandez: Advice that multitasking is ineffective ignores working parents and executives
“The one that causes me to roll my eyes the most profoundly is that multitasking is ineffective, clearly written by someone who is not a mother of three kids, a CEO of a company, and sitting on the board of Atlassian.”
Reyes: Widely disliked enterprise software is durable because of underlying systems of record
“I think that the biggest thing is when people say, I hate that software and everyone buys it, that's probably a pretty good business, because they're not buying the software, they're buying what's underneath of it, and that to me is actually much more durable …”
Clements: Never bet against Atlassian co-founder Mike Cannon-Brookes
“Never bet against Mike Cannonbrooks. Absolutely not.”
Cannon-Brookes: Accel's $60M Atlassian investment in 2010 was 100% secondary
“When the Excel guys invested in Atlassian, right? It was all secondary. They put sixty million bucks in 2010. And they bid highest of the five VCs.”
Cannon-Brookes: Anthropic is one of Atlassian's largest AI models
“We use Anthropic a lot. It's one of our biggest models. We use, you know, multiple models which I think is what most good SaaS vendors are doing within their customers' choices, right? Like we use a lot of Gemini, a lot of Anthropic. We have a whole bunch of L…”