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Opinion
Krieger: Anthropic's current product adoption outpaces true product-market fit
“The adoption that we've gotten of our products is ahead of their actual like true Product market fit because they are still the best ways of getting the models. And I don't think that's durable over time.”
Mike Krieger Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 52:32 Mike Krieger, Instagram CoFounder & Anthropic CPO: Where Will Value Be Created in an AI World?|E1265 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Krieger: Anthropic became overly calcified by adopting a large company playbook
“We got too calcified, I think. And like, oh, well, this is on this team's plate versus this team's plate. And oh, you can't get this done this quarter because it's not on this team.”
Mike Krieger Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 51:57 Mike Krieger, Instagram CoFounder & Anthropic CPO: Where Will Value Be Created in an AI World?|E1265 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Krieger: AI Startups Need Domain Knowledge and Proprietary Data for Long-Term Value
“My sense of where it ends up being most valuable to exist is places where you have some differentiated go to market, some differentiated knowledge of some particular industry or some special data that only you have access to ideally two or even three of those …”
Mike Krieger Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 1:38 Mike Krieger, Instagram CoFounder & Anthropic CPO: Where Will Value Be Created in an AI World?|E1265 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Ramaswamy: OpenAI and Anthropic Lead AI; Google Gemini Is Fast Follow
“It's OpenAI and Anthropic that have created the best models on the planet for the last three years. It's not Microsoft. It's not Amazon. It's not Google. It looks like, you know, Gemini is good, but let's face it, it's at best a fast follow.”
Sridhar Ramaswamy Feb 10, 2025 ▶ 25:29 Sridhar Ramaswamy, CEO @Snowflake: Deepseek is Not a Threat to OpenAI & OpenAI Beats Anthropic|E1258 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Hyatt: We invested in Anthropic because capital isn't the only AI moat
“If we had believed that only capital was going to win, Then we would not have invested in Anthropic, because you know, surely Sam was telling us and everybody else, like, we're going to win the capital game. The capital game is the only way to win, and so ther…”
Nabeel Hyatt Feb 3, 2025 ▶ 51:27 Nabeel Hyatt, GP @ Spark Capital: To Win in AI, Investors Need to Change Their Approach | E1255 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: Switching cloud providers costs startups $10M-$20M, unlike AI models
“I can switch models readily. Like, I think there's even entire businesses now There will be an entire industry of being able to switch models from OpenAI to Anthropic when OpenAI goes down, but just to switch clouds is like, you know, for any, like, substantia…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 45:03 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Riparbelli: xAI has more asymmetric upside than OpenAI or Anthropic
“I actually think I would do X. I think they're all great companies. I would do X because I think there, there's the most asymmetric upside if Elon delivers what he usually does. And I mean, we've all heard of some of the, like, that data set that he built, lik…”
Victor Riparbelli Jan 15, 2025 ▶ 24:15 Victor Riparbelli, CEO @Synthesia: OpenAI vs Anthropic vs X.ai - Who Wins and Why | E1246 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Dines: Anthropic at $40B valuation has bigger upside than OpenAI at $160B
“Probably anthropic... I think the upside is bigger.”
Daniel Dines Dec 18, 2024 ▶ 1:04:28 Daniel Dines, UiPath CEO & Founder: Why Agents Do Not Mean RPA is F*** | E1240 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Podjarny: Anthropic offers better investment value than OpenAI or xAI
“I think I go Anthropic. I feel generally the, it still holds to the quality of the team or maybe you know, the stability of the team and their opportunity to grow. And yeah, the value arbitrage is is still hard.”
Guy Podjarny Nov 29, 2024 ▶ 23:59 Guy Podjarny: The Future of AI Software Development - What is Real & What is BS | E1232 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Khachab: Anthropic is a better investment than OpenAI due to higher revenue
“So I'm not sure if these numbers are right, but I recently read that Anthropic is more or less doing 60% of the revenue of OpenAI, and they do this with less customers, so they kind of achieve a higher price point, probably. Plus the recent release of computer…”
Daniel Khachab Oct 28, 2024 ▶ 16:21 Daniel Khachab: "We Are in the Middle of a Cold War for AI Talent" | E1220 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Kant: Poolside, OpenAI, and Anthropic will rival Big Tech in AI
“What I would like to see and what I think is going to happen is that it's not just Google, Amazon, and Microsoft. It's going to be, you know, an open eye, an anthropic, a poolside, and a set of companies who are able to get that massive escape velocity needed …”
Eiso Kant Oct 7, 2024 ▶ 53:29 Eiso Kant, CTO @Poolside: Raising $600M To Compete in the Race for AGI | E1211 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Narayanan: OpenAI focuses on products as researchers depart to Anthropic
“Folks focused on superintelligence didn't feel very welcome at the company, and there has been an exodus of very prominent people, and Anthropic has picked up a lot of them. So it seems like we're seeing a split emerging where OpenAI is more focused on product…”
Arvind Narayanan Aug 28, 2024 ▶ 22:49 Arvind Narayanan: AI Scaling Myths, The Core Bottlenecks in AI Today & The Future of Models | E1195 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Jun 2029
Srinivas: OpenAI and Anthropic will not get acquired
“I think with OpenAI and Anthropic, the value of the value of those companies is not in the models they have. That is a very first-order approximation. I think the second-order approximation is it's in the machine that's building the machine. That specific grou…”
Aravind Srinivas Jun 5, 2024 ▶ 28:11 Aravind Srinivas:Will Foundation Models Commoditise & Diminishing Returns in Model Performance|E1161 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Srinivas: Competing with OpenAI on base models is a terrible arena
“If there are companies that are working on Foundation model competitor to OpenAI. It is definitely like one of the worst arenas to be part of. Almost like I think there are five men standing today sort of thing. Google, and Anthropic, Meta Mistral, and you can…”
Aravind Srinivas Jun 5, 2024 ▶ 22:50 Aravind Srinivas:Will Foundation Models Commoditise & Diminishing Returns in Model Performance|E1161 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Nov 2028
Traynor: Amazon could outright acquire Anthropic to integrate into AWS EC2
“I'd be wary of Amazon. So like I could see Amazon just like Flat up like buying Anthropic and being like, let's just make this part of the EC two cluster.”
Des Traynor Nov 24, 2023 ▶ 29:41 The Ultimate AI Roundtable: What Happens Now in AI, Why Google are Vulnerable | E1085 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kleinerman: Seven-person startups can match OpenAI and Anthropic for specific uses
“We've seen companies that with Seven employees have creating models that are comparable for some use cases to what OpenAI or Anthropic do.”
Christian Kleinerman Sep 22, 2023 ▶ 16:47 Christian Kleinerman: Do OpenAI and Anthropic Have a Sustaining Moat? Who Wins the AI Wars? | E1063 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Kleinerman: OpenAI and Anthropic are effectively research companies, not software platforms
“Probably the opening eyes and Anthropics are continuing their innovation, which those are effectively research companies.”
Christian Kleinerman Sep 22, 2023 ▶ 20:04 Christian Kleinerman: Do OpenAI and Anthropic Have a Sustaining Moat? Who Wins the AI Wars? | E1063 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Sunak: DeepMind, Anthropic, and OpenAI agreed to grant UK early model access
“We're working with the companies themselves, DeepMind, Anthropic and OpenAI. I'm pleased that they've said that they will give early or priority access to the models.”
Rishi Sunak Jun 14, 2023 ▶ 0:14 Rishi Sunak: The UK's New High Potential Visa; Rishi's £100M AI Task Force | E1025 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Franceschetti: Candidates cross-evaluating Anthropic and Eight Sleep are a red flag
“When people, sometimes it's still happening today that sometimes people say, oh, I'm at the final stage with Anthropic and innate sleep, and to me, that is a really bad red flag, Not even for the salary, but it means you're confused. There is no way that these…”
Matteo Franceschetti Sep 12, 2026 ▶ 57:23 Labour, Engineering, Social Media, GrokBots, Cybercabs: 7 Predictions for How AI Changes the World
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Franceschetti: Eight Sleep spends millions per month on Claude
“No, it's lower than that, but it's still in the millions.”
Matteo Franceschetti Sep 12, 2026 ▶ 19:13 Labour, Engineering, Social Media, GrokBots, Cybercabs: 7 Predictions for How AI Changes the World
Insight
O'Driscoll: Holding competing late-stage AI stakes creates no real conflict
“It totally makes sense to be In OpenAI and Antropic at two hundred billion pre each time, you get limited information rights, retroactive information only, and you know, you're just on the cap table, and it's no different than being in two public companies.”
Rory O'Driscoll Sep 10, 2026 ▶ 48:53 Jensen Huang Declares AGI Has Arrived | Tesla Launches Cybercabs | Index Pulls Out of Town
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Stebbings: Jason Lemkin burns $15k in tokens on a $299 Anthropic plan
“My friend Jason Lampkin, he obviously pays for, like, Anthropic Pro, whatever it is, two 99, and he spends about 15,000 dollars of tokens. He is the worst customer for Anthropic, but he's on that, like, pro max individual plan.”
Harry Stebbings Sep 7, 2026 ▶ 46:38 Town vs Instinct vs GrokBot | Why the AI Assistant Market Is Not a Bubble
Assertion Supported
Salesforce Spends $6B on Engineering and $300M on Anthropic Annually
“Salesforce spends six billion a year on engineering, and that probably includes QA and all the rest of it, but that's the right comp. And they're going to spend three hundred million dollars this year on Anthropic.”
Rory O'Driscoll Sep 3, 2026 ▶ 1:03:29 NVIDIA Crushes Quarter | OpenAI Cuts Off Cursor | Instinct Hits $2.5B Valuation
Disclosure
Katz: AI customers represent less than 12% of ClickHouse's revenue
“The basket of AI companies that's using us in nearly every AI companies built on ClickHouse from Harvey, Sierra, Decagon, Anthropic, OpenAI, et cetera, represents less than 12% of revenue.”
Aaron Katz Aug 31, 2026 ▶ 48:09 ClickHouse CEO: AI Margins Need to Improve | Revenue Concentration Should be a Concern
Assertion Supported
Katz: Anthropic chose ClickHouse after asking Claude for a recommendation
“If you ask Anthropic how they chose to use ClickHouse, they'll tell you they asked Claude, what technology should we use for this specific observability use case? And Claude suggested ClickHouse.”
Aaron Katz Aug 31, 2026 ▶ 16:34 ClickHouse CEO: AI Margins Need to Improve | Revenue Concentration Should be a Concern
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Katz: ClickHouse's Anthropic spend is up 100x this year
“Our anthropic spend is up a hundred times from what it was at the beginning of the year.”
Aaron Katz Aug 31, 2026 ▶ 4:59 ClickHouse CEO: AI Margins Need to Improve | Revenue Concentration Should be a Concern
Opinion
Katz: Anthropic and OpenAI Outpace Open Weights on Application Harnesses
“Anthropic specifically and open AI have the benefit of being both a model provider and the harness provider that the open weights models right now are behind in.”
Aaron Katz Aug 31, 2026 ▶ 5:37 ClickHouse CEO: AI Margins Need to Improve | Revenue Concentration Should be a Concern
Opinion
Reyes: Dario Amodei's warnings about unregulated AI pose very real threats
“The things that Dario brings up are not only well-intentioned, but there are very real threats from unregulated and dangerous AI.”
Eno Reyes Aug 29, 2026 ▶ 18:07 Should American Enterprises Work With Open-Source Chinese Models? | Only 10% of Neo-labs survive
Assertion Partly supported
O'Driscoll: Anthropic Gross Margins Rose From -91% to +30% in One Year
“Anthropic went from -91 to positive 30 in a year.”
Rory O'Driscoll Aug 27, 2026 ▶ 24:00 Anthropic's $30T Assumption & OpenAI Confirms IPO | Why Customer Service & Robotics are Overinflated
Disclosure
Bek: Sequoia underestimated Anthropic early due to linear thinking
“Yeah, we call that revisiting our priors. It's very important that you update your priors if the environment's changed, and I think it came from the realization that if AI is going to be so transformative, we are just on the foothill of this incredible exponen…”
Julien Bek Aug 24, 2026 ▶ 8:45 Inside Sequoia's Investment Committee | How the SpaceX & Citadel Deals Went Down | Julien Bek
Assertion Partly supported
Murdock: OpenAI and Anthropic Do Not Permit Frontier Model Customization
“What's happening is, is that you can't customize anthropic models or open AI models right now. Not the big frontier models. You're not allowed to do that.”
Jerry Murdock Aug 22, 2026 ▶ 11:05 The AI Bubble WILL Burst | Should we be fearful of Chinese Open-Source | Jerry Murdock
Assertion Supported
Stebbings: Anthropic achieved its first quarterly profit on $11.5B in Q2 revenue
“Anthropic turns its first profit on 11 and a half billion dollars of Q two revenue.”
Harry Stebbings Aug 20, 2026 ▶ 28:34 Stripe's $8B OpenRouter Bet | Anthropic's First Profit & The Math Behind Reaching $600B in Revenue?
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Google Cloud generates 30% operating margins selling compute to Anthropic
“Every dollar of, every piece of compute that you give to Google Cloud turns into 30% operating margins in a day because they can sell it to Entropic.”
Rory O'Driscoll Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 36:58 Canva Slashes Growth | Talent Exodus at Google | Revolut's $50B CEO Package | Musk's $55B Terrafab
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Atallah: Closed-weight labs distill models, including Sonnet from Opus
“The closed-weight model labs distill models too, like, you know, Sonnet is, The partially distilled version of Opus and like you, this is how you like make smaller models out of bigger models.”
Alex Atallah Aug 9, 2026 ▶ 57:58 OpenRouter CEO: Why Chinese Open Models Are Beating the US | Why Enterprises Fear OpenAI & Anthropic
Opinion
OpenRouter CEO: Anthropic's paranoia about future AI risks is important
“I think it's important to have somebody who is, Very paranoid about the future and how things are going to shake up. And I appreciate that. Like, I personally appreciate Anthropic's paranoia.”
Alex Atallah Aug 9, 2026 ▶ 1:02:50 OpenRouter CEO: Why Chinese Open Models Are Beating the US | Why Enterprises Fear OpenAI & Anthropic
Insight
Atallah: Anthropic launched Claude Design to hook enterprise design teams
“This is my theory behind why like Claude design was strategic. While it's not like a massive amount of revenue for Anthropic, like not probably not a significant amount of revenue. It does get the design team to really care about Anthropic models. And so the c…”
Alex Atallah Aug 9, 2026 ▶ 26:53 OpenRouter CEO: Why Chinese Open Models Are Beating the US | Why Enterprises Fear OpenAI & Anthropic
Opinion
Angelopoulos: Legal AI startups need not fear Anthropic due to differing priorities
“It's like priority number 12 for Anthropic is probably not high enough for Harvey and LaGuardia to be too scared.”
Anastasios Angelopoulos Aug 2, 2026 ▶ 1:02:11 Arena CEO: There Will be a $100BN US Open-Source Model & Data is a Trillion Dollar Market
Assertion Not checkable as stated
O'Driscoll: Stripe Captures Standard 2.75% Fees Across Leading AI Companies
“They basically signed up all the AI companies that are selling shit online, right? And they shouldn't be getting anything like the money they're probably getting from the open AI and entropics in terms of interchange fees. But who's got time to optimize that s…”
Rory O'Driscoll Jul 29, 2026 ▶ 1:12:27 Jensen's Open-Weights Letter | Google Cloud Grows 82% But The Market Tanks
Opinion
O'Driscoll: New AI Adopters Will Swamp Any Budget Cuts by Heavy Spenders
“And then there's 95% of companies who've barely put their toe in the water. And if even a quarter of them put their toe in the water, the growth from the toe dippers Will swamp the reduction from the token maxes.”
Rory O'Driscoll Jul 29, 2026 ▶ 40:48 Jensen's Open-Weights Letter | Google Cloud Grows 82% But The Market Tanks
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Anthropic matched ChatGPT performance pre-launch using 1/50th of the capital
“All the benchmarks you could see that they were kind of better or at the same level of performances as ChatGPT at the time. And they'd spent like, I don't know, A 50th of the capital.”
Matt Murphy Jul 27, 2026 ▶ 3:25 Will Open-Source Threaten Anthropic's Business & Do Margins Matter in a World of AI | Matt Murphy
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Enterprise AI workloads will split across proprietary and open-source models
“So I think, you know, you're going to have the combination of something like that, a family of models from Anthropic, and then a set of open source models and things that you train with your own data, and you're going to look across that whole tapestry and say…”
Matt Murphy Jul 27, 2026 ▶ 26:37 Will Open-Source Threaten Anthropic's Business & Do Margins Matter in a World of AI | Matt Murphy
Disclosure
Menlo Ventures broke its standard investment criteria to back Anthropic
“And I'll, that's, I'll take you back to our investment in, in Anthropic. Like, same thing. It's like, This doesn't really fit. This isn't what we normally do, but wow, if this works, I mean, you got such a special founder in Dario and an amazing market.”
Matt Murphy Jul 27, 2026 ▶ 44:42 Will Open-Source Threaten Anthropic's Business & Do Margins Matter in a World of AI | Matt Murphy
Opinion
Qiao: Anthropic relies on a single-AGI belief over specialization
“I view Anthropic as a company fully believing AGI.”
Lin Qiao Jul 20, 2026 ▶ 5:57 The Open-Source AI Reality | How Token Costs Will Fall 10X & Usage Will Explode 100X | Lin Qiao
Opinion
O'Driscoll: AI labs pursue life sciences for purpose over market size
“So I think actually people's interest in doing life science is one third TAM expansion and two thirds, shit, I'm putting everyone at a job. The least I can do is keep them alive. I want to do good because I want to have meaning. It's the search for meaning and…”
Rory O'Driscoll Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 34:24 Zuckerberg Back on X Challenging Codex & Claude Code | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
O'Driscoll: Active CIOs will implement model tiering to control AI spend
“When the pressure on spend is out there, the sentence you said that really resonated with me is every company is going to have an internal tiering. They might all buy it from OpenAI or Anthropic, but every company with a CIO who's half awake It's going to have…”
Rory O'Driscoll Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 15:38 Zuckerberg Back on X Challenging Codex & Claude Code | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
O'Driscoll: Anthropic could not have been founded in Massachusetts due to non-competes
“I wonder if Anthropa could have been started in Massachusetts. Probably not, right? No, you're exactly right.”
Rory O'Driscoll Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 7:17 Zuckerberg Back on X Challenging Codex & Claude Code | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Stebbings: AI developer tools like Cursor remain dramatically underpriced
“So no, I don't at all for Cursor or for any of the dev tools. I think it's still dramatically underpriced. When you look at Mark Benioff spending three hundred million on Anthropic, it's 3.7% of developer salaries. I think that's relatively small.”
Harry Stebbings Jul 11, 2026 ▶ 33:12 ⁠Why OpenAI and Anthropic Won't Win the App Layer | Glean Founder · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Jain: Anthropic is an application-level platform, not just a model vendor
“So they very much, you should consider them an application level company, not just a model company.”
Arvind Jain Jul 11, 2026 ▶ 17:08 ⁠Why OpenAI and Anthropic Won't Win the App Layer | Glean Founder · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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